13:10:54 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-07-11)
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13:10:54 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
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13:10:54 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
13:10:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
13:11:10 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Owen, Matthias, Michael, Chris, Tomas
13:11:10 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Ondrej, supakeen
13:11:10 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Neal, Kalev
13:11:10 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
13:11:10 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Matthias
13:11:11 <brainycmurf> #topic Proposal: Use Image Builder to build Workstation ISOs
13:11:13 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/384
13:11:15 <brainycmurf> Neal had concerns about this.
13:11:17 <brainycmurf> supakeen has a link to an image:
13:11:19 <brainycmurf> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/anaconda/webui_preview_image/x86_64/fedora-preview-live-installer-2023-06-29.iso
13:11:22 <brainycmurf> Open issue from change proposal: how to define editions and spins. Currently, it is done
13:11:24 <brainycmurf> in code. the image builder team is looking a ways to do this, reimplementing kickstarts,
13:11:26 <brainycmurf> with a follow-up change proposal for fedora 40 coming.
13:11:30 <brainycmurf> The current plan is to validate the current image, and if it has technical issues that
13:11:32 <brainycmurf> can't be solved in time for F39, go with Neals suggestion as a fallback plan.
13:11:34 <brainycmurf> The current way to add packages is to add them in comps, the image picks up comps.
13:11:36 <brainycmurf> The image builder team is asking about QE for workstation images, and it was confirmed
13:11:38 <brainycmurf> that there is no automatic testing beyond what Fedora QE does with OpenQA.
13:11:40 <brainycmurf> There has been some coordination with the anaconda team about possible interactions
13:11:42 <brainycmurf> between this change and the anaconda one.
13:11:44 <brainycmurf> #topic Give ABRT some ❤
13:11:46 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130
13:11:48 <brainycmurf> Michael has been wrangling this topic for a long time. He is leading this topic.
13:11:50 <brainycmurf> Update: The ABRT team has been doing what we agreed on a while ago: pick a
13:11:52 <brainycmurf> few items every quarter and fix them. Michael hasn't confirmed the fixes yet.
13:11:54 <brainycmurf> ABRT team is hopeful that the current ABRT is much better. They switched
13:11:56 <brainycmurf> from custom retracing to debuginfod, which should help.
13:12:00 <brainycmurf> Not fixed yet: too many duplicates.
13:12:02 <brainycmurf> Question: Would it make sense to only enable bugzilla reporting in ABRT only
13:12:04 <brainycmurf> before GA? Michael isn't in favor.
13:12:06 <brainycmurf> The ABRT team isn't currently well-positioned to improve the UI. Unfortunately,
13:12:08 <brainycmurf> we don't have much bandwidth for it on our side either.
13:12:10 <brainycmurf> ABRT team was wondering about trying to find a GSoC intern
13:12:12 <brainycmurf> for working on the UI, but it may not be the easy solution.
13:12:14 <brainycmurf> Allan suggests splitting the UI improvements off into a separate ticket,
13:12:16 <brainycmurf> and volunteers to do so.
13:12:18 <brainycmurf> #topic Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation
13:12:20 <brainycmurf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry
13:12:22 <brainycmurf> Michael says that a WG endorsement would be helpful.
13:12:24 <brainycmurf> Michael was sick, so he hasn't followed the second half of the discussion.
13:12:26 <brainycmurf> His plan is to collect main points of feedback and summarize it on the list,
13:12:30 <brainycmurf> and possible revise the change proposal before it heads to FESCO.
13:12:32 <brainycmurf> One main concern so far was the opt-in vs opt-out question
13:12:34 <brainycmurf> Another concern was about server compromise.
13:12:36 <brainycmurf> Owen makes the point that we can't expect to make everybody happy.
13:12:38 <brainycmurf> We should outline the worst-case scenario for server compromise.
13:12:40 <brainycmurf> Some discussion around concrete processes for approving metrics. Michael
13:12:42 <brainycmurf> says that he need to start a sub-discussion on this particular topic.
13:12:44 <brainycmurf> Allan was asking about upstream implementation and data sharing with
13:12:46 <brainycmurf> affected projects. Michael says that he is planning on implementing it all
13:12:48 <brainycmurf> upstream. There has been a lot request for making the data public, which
13:12:50 <brainycmurf> would obviously make it available to upstream projects.
13:12:52 <brainycmurf> Gut check on endorsement:
13:12:54 <brainycmurf> Chris says he needs more info to endorse but it seems fine so far.
13:12:56 <brainycmurf> Owen also requests to have some more concrete information about the
13:13:00 <brainycmurf> metrics we might collect, but does not have privacy concerns so far.
13:13:02 <brainycmurf> Allan would also like to have some more concrete information
13:13:04 <brainycmurf> Matthias and Tomas are +1
13:13:06 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
13:13:08 <brainycmurf> Allan took a look at the anaconda webui, still work to be done.
13:13:10 <brainycmurf> Jens mentions Color bash prompt Change proposal.
13:13:12 <brainycmurf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt
13:13:14 <brainycmurf> Minutes from last week:
13:13:16 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-06-27/workstation.2023-06-27-21.08.log.html
13:13:19 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting