13:10:54 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-07-11) 13:10:54 Meeting started Thu Jul 13 13:10:54 2023 UTC. 13:10:54 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:10:54 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 13:10:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:10:54 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2023-07-11)' 13:10:54 #meetingname workstation 13:10:54 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 13:10:54 #chair Allan 13:10:54 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 13:11:10 #info Present members: Allan, Owen, Matthias, Michael, Chris, Tomas 13:11:10 #info Guests: Ondrej, supakeen 13:11:10 #info Regrets: Neal, Kalev 13:11:10 #info Missing: 13:11:10 #info Secretary: Matthias 13:11:11 #topic Proposal: Use Image Builder to build Workstation ISOs 13:11:13 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/384 13:11:15 Neal had concerns about this. 13:11:17 supakeen has a link to an image: 13:11:19 https://fedorapeople.org/groups/anaconda/webui_preview_image/x86_64/fedora-preview-live-installer-2023-06-29.iso 13:11:22 Open issue from change proposal: how to define editions and spins. Currently, it is done 13:11:24 in code. the image builder team is looking a ways to do this, reimplementing kickstarts, 13:11:26 with a follow-up change proposal for fedora 40 coming. 13:11:30 The current plan is to validate the current image, and if it has technical issues that 13:11:32 can't be solved in time for F39, go with Neals suggestion as a fallback plan. 13:11:34 The current way to add packages is to add them in comps, the image picks up comps. 13:11:36 The image builder team is asking about QE for workstation images, and it was confirmed 13:11:38 that there is no automatic testing beyond what Fedora QE does with OpenQA. 13:11:40 There has been some coordination with the anaconda team about possible interactions 13:11:42 between this change and the anaconda one. 13:11:44 #topic Give ABRT some ❤ 13:11:46 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 13:11:48 Michael has been wrangling this topic for a long time. He is leading this topic. 13:11:50 Update: The ABRT team has been doing what we agreed on a while ago: pick a 13:11:52 few items every quarter and fix them. Michael hasn't confirmed the fixes yet. 13:11:54 ABRT team is hopeful that the current ABRT is much better. They switched 13:11:56 from custom retracing to debuginfod, which should help. 13:12:00 Not fixed yet: too many duplicates. 13:12:02 Question: Would it make sense to only enable bugzilla reporting in ABRT only 13:12:04 before GA? Michael isn't in favor. 13:12:06 The ABRT team isn't currently well-positioned to improve the UI. Unfortunately, 13:12:08 we don't have much bandwidth for it on our side either. 13:12:10 ABRT team was wondering about trying to find a GSoC intern 13:12:12 for working on the UI, but it may not be the easy solution. 13:12:14 Allan suggests splitting the UI improvements off into a separate ticket, 13:12:16 and volunteers to do so. 13:12:18 #topic Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation 13:12:20 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry 13:12:22 Michael says that a WG endorsement would be helpful. 13:12:24 Michael was sick, so he hasn't followed the second half of the discussion. 13:12:26 His plan is to collect main points of feedback and summarize it on the list, 13:12:30 and possible revise the change proposal before it heads to FESCO. 13:12:32 One main concern so far was the opt-in vs opt-out question 13:12:34 Another concern was about server compromise. 13:12:36 Owen makes the point that we can't expect to make everybody happy. 13:12:38 We should outline the worst-case scenario for server compromise. 13:12:40 Some discussion around concrete processes for approving metrics. Michael 13:12:42 says that he need to start a sub-discussion on this particular topic. 13:12:44 Allan was asking about upstream implementation and data sharing with 13:12:46 affected projects. Michael says that he is planning on implementing it all 13:12:48 upstream. There has been a lot request for making the data public, which 13:12:50 would obviously make it available to upstream projects. 13:12:52 Gut check on endorsement: 13:12:54 Chris says he needs more info to endorse but it seems fine so far. 13:12:56 Owen also requests to have some more concrete information about the 13:13:00 metrics we might collect, but does not have privacy concerns so far. 13:13:02 Allan would also like to have some more concrete information 13:13:04 Matthias and Tomas are +1 13:13:06 #topic Announcements and status updates 13:13:08 Allan took a look at the anaconda webui, still work to be done. 13:13:10 Jens mentions Color bash prompt Change proposal. 13:13:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Color_Bash_Prompt 13:13:14 Minutes from last week: 13:13:16 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-06-27/workstation.2023-06-27-21.08.log.html 13:13:19 #endmeeting