00:54:02 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-09-26)
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00:54:03 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
00:54:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
00:54:03 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
00:54:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
00:54:03 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Owen, Michael, Matthias, Neal, Jens, Tomas
00:54:03 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
00:54:03 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Chris, Kalev
00:54:05 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
00:54:07 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Matthias
00:54:09 <brainycmurf> #topic F39 status
00:54:11 <brainycmurf> Key dates
00:54:15 <brainycmurf> * 4th October - Flatpak updates to start rolling out around this date
00:54:17 <brainycmurf> * 12th October - first go / no-go
00:54:19 <brainycmurf> * 17 October - early release target
00:54:21 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/39/final/buglist
00:54:23 <brainycmurf> We briefly looked at the xdg-desktop-portals bug. Matthias will look at it.
00:54:25 <brainycmurf> #topic Fractional scaling
00:54:27 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/357
00:54:29 <brainycmurf> Questions from last time:b
00:54:31 <brainycmurf> * How bad is the blurring with java apps?
00:54:33 <brainycmurf> * Would it be possible to automatically disable fractional scaling when the scale factor is set to an integer?
00:54:36 <brainycmurf> Both Owen and Matthias are somewhat confused about the exact nature of the problem and the
00:54:38 <brainycmurf> exact settings that we have avaiilable. Allan tried to explain his understanding from working on
00:54:40 <brainycmurf> the design side: it mainly affects Java IDEs which are still on X11. Supposedly games are affected
00:54:45 <brainycmurf> as well. Jens reports that Jonas was unhappy with us merging only the mutter part, but not the
00:54:47 <brainycmurf> control-center UI.
00:54:49 <brainycmurf> Michael suggests to revert the change for F39, and try again for F40.
00:54:51 <brainycmurf> Owen repeats his request for a technical deep dive into the reasons for the current state.
00:54:53 <brainycmurf> Suggestion: Invite Jonas/Carlos to discuss the technical details again, and come up with a plan
00:54:55 <brainycmurf> for what we want in F40.
00:54:57 <brainycmurf> Neal explains that KDE does handle xwayland scaling entirely separately.
00:54:59 <brainycmurf> #topic Loupe print issue
00:55:01 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/397
00:55:03 <brainycmurf> We did not agree to switch back to eog. Matthias volunteered to look after the printing bug.
00:55:05 <brainycmurf> #topic F39 target features
00:55:07 <brainycmurf> We had a set of changes that we were hoping to land for F39 but which didn't work out. These included:
00:55:10 <brainycmurf> * Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84
00:55:14 <brainycmurf> * Replace Cheese with Snapshot as the default camera application - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/166
00:55:17 <brainycmurf> * Consider limiting journal size - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213
00:55:19 <brainycmurf> * Enable full preemption - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228
00:55:21 <brainycmurf> * Uninstall Anaconda post-install - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242
00:55:23 <brainycmurf> Michael says the codec install is the most important one.
00:55:25 <brainycmurf> Neal says it needs work in gnome-initial-setup, while Michael wants to do it in gnome-software
00:55:27 <brainycmurf> The uninstall anaconda issue seems broadly similar to the codec install, and should maybe be
00:55:29 <brainycmurf> handled together.
00:55:31 <brainycmurf> Suggestion: close the journal size one, ask Chris if he is still interested in full preemption.
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #topic Firefox: Firefox Home could be used by default
00:55:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/389
00:55:37 <brainycmurf> Deferred
00:55:39 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
00:55:41 <brainycmurf> Brief discussion around the X11 session ticket, but we will put that on the agenda for sometime
00:55:45 <brainycmurf> in the future and involve the graphics team.
00:55:47 <brainycmurf> The minutes from last week have been posted.
00:55:49 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-09-20/workstation.2023-09-20-02.51.log.html
00:55:52 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting