00:54:02 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-09-26) 00:54:03 Meeting started Thu Sep 28 00:54:02 2023 UTC. 00:54:03 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 00:54:03 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 00:54:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:54:03 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2023-09-26)' 00:54:03 #meetingname workstation 00:54:03 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 00:54:03 #chair Allan 00:54:03 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 00:54:03 #info Present members: Allan, Owen, Michael, Matthias, Neal, Jens, Tomas 00:54:03 #info Guests: 00:54:03 #info Regrets: Chris, Kalev 00:54:05 #info Missing: 00:54:07 #info Secretary: Matthias 00:54:09 #topic F39 status 00:54:11 Key dates 00:54:15 * 4th October - Flatpak updates to start rolling out around this date 00:54:17 * 12th October - first go / no-go 00:54:19 * 17 October - early release target 00:54:21 #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/39/final/buglist 00:54:23 We briefly looked at the xdg-desktop-portals bug. Matthias will look at it. 00:54:25 #topic Fractional scaling 00:54:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/357 00:54:29 Questions from last time:b 00:54:31 * How bad is the blurring with java apps? 00:54:33 * Would it be possible to automatically disable fractional scaling when the scale factor is set to an integer? 00:54:36 Both Owen and Matthias are somewhat confused about the exact nature of the problem and the 00:54:38 exact settings that we have avaiilable. Allan tried to explain his understanding from working on 00:54:40 the design side: it mainly affects Java IDEs which are still on X11. Supposedly games are affected 00:54:45 as well. Jens reports that Jonas was unhappy with us merging only the mutter part, but not the 00:54:47 control-center UI. 00:54:49 Michael suggests to revert the change for F39, and try again for F40. 00:54:51 Owen repeats his request for a technical deep dive into the reasons for the current state. 00:54:53 Suggestion: Invite Jonas/Carlos to discuss the technical details again, and come up with a plan 00:54:55 for what we want in F40. 00:54:57 Neal explains that KDE does handle xwayland scaling entirely separately. 00:54:59 #topic Loupe print issue 00:55:01 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/397 00:55:03 We did not agree to switch back to eog. Matthias volunteered to look after the printing bug. 00:55:05 #topic F39 target features 00:55:07 We had a set of changes that we were hoping to land for F39 but which didn't work out. These included: 00:55:10 * Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 00:55:14 * Replace Cheese with Snapshot as the default camera application - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/166 00:55:17 * Consider limiting journal size - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 00:55:19 * Enable full preemption - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 00:55:21 * Uninstall Anaconda post-install - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 00:55:23 Michael says the codec install is the most important one. 00:55:25 Neal says it needs work in gnome-initial-setup, while Michael wants to do it in gnome-software 00:55:27 The uninstall anaconda issue seems broadly similar to the codec install, and should maybe be 00:55:29 handled together. 00:55:31 Suggestion: close the journal size one, ask Chris if he is still interested in full preemption. 00:55:33 #topic Firefox: Firefox Home could be used by default 00:55:35 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/389 00:55:37 Deferred 00:55:39 #topic Announcements and status updates 00:55:41 Brief discussion around the X11 session ticket, but we will put that on the agenda for sometime 00:55:45 in the future and involve the graphics team. 00:55:47 The minutes from last week have been posted. 00:55:49 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-09-20/workstation.2023-09-20-02.51.log.html 00:55:52 #endmeeting