21:48:12 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-10-24)
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21:48:12 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
21:48:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
21:48:12 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
21:48:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
21:48:12 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Tom, Michael, Chris, Matthias, Kalev, Owen, Neal, Jens
21:48:12 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
21:48:13 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Allan
21:48:15 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
21:48:17 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Tomáš
21:48:21 <brainycmurf> #topic f39 status
21:48:23 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/39/final/buglist
21:48:25 <brainycmurf> The mutter blocker https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2241632 doesn't have a build. Adam promised to do one if the uboot-tools will be fixed.
21:48:28 <brainycmurf> #topic NVIDIA driver and UEFI secure boot
21:48:30 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155
21:48:32 <brainycmurf> Michael's naive proposal is to remove the NVIDIA binary driver from GNOME Software as the current Fedora workflow involves fiddling with the CLI anyway (if one wants to have Secure Boot enabled). Neal is proposing that we might use the same workflow as SUSE (it's blacklisting nouveau only when finally running an NVIDIA binary driver and not immediatelly as we do on Fedora - and users might (and do) end with a broken
21:48:37 <brainycmurf> GPU driver). Another proposal would be to pull in stuff that makes nouveau to work with NVIDIA firmware blob known as NVK - not ready upstream yet though. Another option would be to match what Canonical is doing for Ubuntu - providing the instructions on how to enroll the keys through MOK. As we're having a meeting with RH's GPU team members next week, then we should put the NVK on the agenda to see their POV. The
21:48:42 <brainycmurf> agreement is that the current state is unbearable, but there is no agreement in removing the NVIDIA binary driver from GNOME Software.
21:48:45 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
21:48:47 <brainycmurf> Minutes from last week:
21:48:51 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-10-17/workstation.2023-10-17-19.03.log.html
21:48:54 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting