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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-12-05)
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Meeting started by brainycmurf at 03:42:07 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-12-06/workstation.2023-12-06-03.42.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Present members: Michael, Owen, Kalev, Allan, Chris  (brainycmurf,
  03:42:07)
* Guests:  (brainycmurf, 03:42:07)
* Regrets: Tomas, Matthias, Jens  (brainycmurf, 03:42:07)
* Missing:   (brainycmurf, 03:42:09)
* Secretary:Owen  (brainycmurf, 03:42:11)
* Switch from meet.opensuse.org to a different conferencing platform
  (brainycmurf, 03:42:13)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/403   (brainycmurf,
    03:42:15)
  * new setup (meet-test.opensuse.org) working well for some people,
    some people seeing video bugs; extensive discussion of alternatives.
    Will keep meet-test.opensuse.org for now.  (brainycmurf, 03:42:17)

* Enable full preemption  (brainycmurf, 03:42:20)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228   (brainycmurf,
    03:42:22)
  * Owen with general agreement suggested that doing this by kernel
    command line is not great - very hard to upgrades, hard to do just
    for some variants. Chris sent a mail to llkml some time ago about
    moving switch from debugfs to sysfs, but didn't get a response.
    (brainycmurf, 03:42:24)
  * Neal would like to see characterization of this on server workloads
    so that we could enable across variants  (brainycmurf, 03:42:28)
  * Discussion of whether we *know* this is desktop only, or might make
    sense for server workloads as well - especially now that serv7ers
    are often running more complex workloads with cgroups, etc.
    (brainycmurf, 03:42:31)
  * Discussion of how to test - what are the (desktop) workloads that we
    expect this to make a difference - OBS streaming? Audio? (Fedora Jam
    apparently sets up preempt=full). Is sysprof useful for testing
    whether preempt=full improves responsiveness/smoothess of GNOME
    shell under high load  (brainycmurf, 03:42:36)
  * ACTION: Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team
    to see if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs -
    or how to move forward for there.  (brainycmurf, 03:42:40)

* Announcements and status updates  (brainycmurf, 03:42:43)
  * LINK:
    https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/learning-from-the-f40-tuned-replaces-ppd-change-proposal/97786
    (brainycmurf, 03:42:45)
  * discussion of role of working group vs. fesco in change proposal
    process  (brainycmurf, 03:42:48)
  * Allan change proposals were conceived as "notification" of things
    coming from upstream  (brainycmurf, 03:42:50)
  * Neal - there's a split between notications of upcoming upstream
    changes, and change proposals for work that is being done downstream
    - specific to fedora, and the second set of things is getting
    larger; policy documents lag behind.  (brainycmurf, 03:42:52)
  * Nobody wanted to copy the releng part where there has to be a ticket
    filed  (brainycmurf, 03:42:56)
  * Allan felt there isn't enough time between posting and voting - that
    voting can get in the way of the discussion.  (brainycmurf,
    03:42:58)
  * LINK:
    https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-11-30/workstation.2023-11-30-01.07.log.html
    (brainycmurf, 03:43:03)

Meeting ended at 03:43:08 UTC.




Action Items
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* Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see if
  they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how to
  move forward for there.




Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see
    if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how
    to move forward for there.




People Present (lines said)
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* brainycmurf (28)
* zodbot (7)
* Michael (0)




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