23:07:08 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2024-03-26)
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23:07:08 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
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23:07:08 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
23:07:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
23:07:08 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Kalev, Jens, Allan, Neal, Chris, Owen
23:07:10 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
23:07:12 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Tomas, Matthias
23:07:14 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Owen
23:07:16 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Kalev
23:07:18 <brainycmurf> Agenda
23:07:20 <brainycmurf> #topic Mozilla Location Service (MLS) shutting down June 12
23:07:24 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/421
23:07:26 <brainycmurf> Kalev says that he doesn't think it's a huge loss. We'd lose wifi based, and gsm based geolocation, neither of which works super well for stationary computers anyway. Most of the time we're replying on IP based geolocation (which isn't going to disappear) instead.
23:07:30 <brainycmurf> Allan has been looking into it and listed a number of apps that make use of geolocation. Automatic timezone is one of the most prominent ones. Maps needs precise location. Question: Will firefox continue doing its own geolocation? People might get upset if the night light thing doesn't work correctly.
23:07:34 <brainycmurf> Kalev: For some of these items, precise geolocation isn't important and IP based geolocation should keep on working.
23:07:37 <brainycmurf> Neal: In the US, ip addresses are allocated per company, and don't often match up with geographic area. This leads to getting wrong timezones from automatic timezone. This is not too common in Europe. It is a huge problem in the US.
23:07:41 <brainycmurf> Michael: geoip is supposed to get updated, but it's not always done immediately. MLS going down is going to have 0 impact on desktop computers that don't have wifi.
23:07:44 <brainycmurf> Allan: We are in a bit of a wait and see mode.
23:07:46 <brainycmurf> Michael: We cannot switch to google location services because of theirs service terms. We can't have a public API access key. We should add a way to do manual location override to work around issues.
23:07:49 <brainycmurf> Owen: We should keep the location desktop API for applications.
23:07:51 <brainycmurf> Allan: Should we change location portal to add confirmation when detecting a new location? Allan did mockups for that last cycle.
23:07:56 <brainycmurf> Michael: Let's close this issue and defer to upstream.
23:07:58 <brainycmurf> #topic Hide new Microsoft 365 online accounts type in F40?
23:08:00 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/422
23:08:02 <brainycmurf> Allan: The main issue is that it requires developer account creation and the UI doesn't explain what's going on. It would be OK if it made it very clear what it is.
23:08:05 <brainycmurf> Chris: Should we file a RHBZ ticket and add it as a release blocker, to ensure it gets fixed before release?
23:08:08 <brainycmurf> Michael: Who are we waiting on now? Do we have design changes?
23:08:10 <brainycmurf> Allan says he hasn't been tracking this.
23:08:12 <brainycmurf> Michael: It's not a super bad bug and it should be fine to fix it in updates.
23:08:14 <brainycmurf> Allan: It's a new feature and people are going to be suprised if a new feature doesn't work.
23:08:16 <brainycmurf> Owen: We have two solutions: One is that we don't advertise the new feature, the other one is we have to backport the fix. Hiding the feature doesn't help us in this case. Having it there and hard to figure it isn't so bad if we don't announce it.
23:08:20 <brainycmurf> Michael suggests that we can change the design already in F40 and approve freeze exceptions for that. Translations are going to be the biggest concern for changed strings and it's going to take a few weeks to get updated translations completed. Best to get the UI designs to the hands of upstream developers ASAP.
23:08:26 <brainycmurf> #topic F40 blocker review
23:08:28 <brainycmurf> Michael: There are suprisingly few new blocker bugs right now. We are looking to be in good shape. There's a mesa problem where gtk UI is broken, but that's upstream mesa issue. snapshot, the new camera app is completely broken and only displays pink.
23:08:32 <brainycmurf> #topic Minutes from last week
23:08:34 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2024-03-13/workstation.2024-03-13-16.49.log.html
23:08:37 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting