00:54:30 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2025-03-11)
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00:54:30 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
00:54:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
00:54:30 <brainycmurf> #chair Matthias
00:54:30 <brainycmurf> #info Present members:  Jens, Matthias, Michael, Chris, Michel, Tomas, Allan, Nieves
00:54:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: Matthias brainycmurf
00:54:30 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Felipe Borges, Lee Thomas Stephens, Christian Schaller
00:54:31 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Neal
00:54:33 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
00:54:35 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Jens
00:54:37 <brainycmurf> #topic Blocker bug review F42
00:54:39 <brainycmurf> #info Go/No-go meeting was cancelled last week
00:54:41 <brainycmurf> Matthias: seems only one systemd blocker left which is modified
00:54:45 <brainycmurf> #topic F42 GNOME updates - helping out?
00:54:47 <brainycmurf> Nieves: mega-update nearly ready - just 2 packages being looked into
00:54:49 <brainycmurf> - also adwaita-fonts package review posted for review
00:54:51 <brainycmurf> Matthias: glad to see more discussions in matrix - there was some discussions about automation for new gnome packages releases (mclazy)
00:54:54 <brainycmurf> Allan: anyone running F42 already? -- Matthias mentioned there are some mutter crashes
00:54:56 <brainycmurf> Tomas: mentioned seems some grub related upgrade issue for SB too
00:54:58 <brainycmurf> Matthias: (apparently there is problem with print-preview with Papers, but probably something for F43)
00:55:01 <brainycmurf> Matthias: the new fonts may help with some rendering issues recently seen with Canterell
00:55:03 <brainycmurf> #topic F42 Workstation marketing materials https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/455
00:55:05 <brainycmurf> Allan: release notes still being collected upstream in https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Websites/release.gnome.org/-/issues/52
00:55:08 <brainycmurf> Pipewire 1.4
00:55:10 <brainycmurf> #topic A position paper on Flatpaks
00:55:12 <brainycmurf> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IyVxAeFlR0ipx6SY-rxxGiZsIc3BY5bFlz4ldoxjAoU/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.2fqdoiev0d85
00:55:17 <brainycmurf> Christian will share the doc openly for wider visibility
00:55:19 <brainycmurf> Matthias suggests to defer vote on adopting it until next week when Neal is back
00:55:21 <brainycmurf> Some discussion on its possible impact on fedora flatpak maintainership
00:55:23 <brainycmurf> Allan and Michael feel the paper does not shift things far enough
00:55:25 <brainycmurf> Christian: any proposal "banning" fedora flatpaks seems a non-starter. The paper provides a direction with a policy guidance at least going forward.
00:55:28 <brainycmurf> Michael: we can't stop fedora flatpaks, but WS could not ship them. Bootc future...
00:55:30 <brainycmurf> Tomas: not enough trust for Flathub flatpaks, particularly firefox
00:55:32 <brainycmurf> Michael: we do want more control of browser in particular
00:55:34 <brainycmurf> Felipe: we could have a new fedora-base-flatpaks repo
00:55:36 <brainycmurf> Christian: Firefox might not be the only flatpak we want to ship outselves - they can also help us to avoid using Fedora rpms
00:55:39 <brainycmurf> Matthias: Flathub may make more conservative config choices than Fedora wants in general for portability (eg for new tech like Wayland and Pipewire, etc)
00:55:42 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
00:55:46 <brainycmurf> Allan: LAS happening in April in Albania
00:55:48 <brainycmurf> - CfP for Guadec closes on Sunday!
00:55:50 <brainycmurf> #topic Open Floor
00:55:52 <brainycmurf> Try to invite Adam to come next week
00:55:54 <brainycmurf> #topic Minutes from previous meeting
00:55:56 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2025-03-05/workstation.2025-03-05-00.09.html
00:55:59 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting