2024-07-31 14:09:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Council Meeting
2024-07-31 14:09:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-31 14:09:11 UTC
2024-07-31 14:09:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council Meeting'
2024-07-31 14:09:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Topic: Flock Preparation
2024-07-31 14:10:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Our panel talk is on Wednesday @ 1130am afaik
2024-07-31 14:10:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Could be 12, I havent the tab open to confirm and the mind is bggled with the scheduling atm
2024-07-31 14:11:47 <@amoloney:fedora.im> with the exception of Akashdeep who cannot be there  due to visa reasons, are all other council members available for that session?
2024-07-31 14:11:55 <@asamalik:fedora.im> yep it
2024-07-31 14:12:13 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I think bookwar also can't make it :(
2024-07-31 14:12:21 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I will be there
2024-07-31 14:12:31 <@mattdm:fedora.im> FTR I will be there :)
2024-07-31 14:12:35 <@asamalik:fedora.im> (please ignore the "yep it") :-) 
2024-07-31 14:12:42 <@asamalik:fedora.im> I'll be there as well! 
2024-07-31 14:12:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im going to assume Justin will be there too :D
2024-07-31 14:13:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Thats a pity bookwar :(
2024-07-31 14:13:31 <@bookwar:fedora.im> Yes, I lost hope on the visa now. So let's assume I will be remote only
2024-07-31 14:13:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> OK, I am full focus here now.
2024-07-31 14:14:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !meetingname council
2024-07-31 14:14:12 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now council
2024-07-31 14:14:29 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> Too bad bookwar :( 
2024-07-31 14:14:32 <@jflory7:fedora.im> For sure.
2024-07-31 14:14:41 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> I am going to be there too
2024-07-31 14:14:53 <@jflory7:fedora.im> bookwar: We will miss you at Flock this year!
2024-07-31 14:15:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Should I moderate the panel?
2024-07-31 14:16:02 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Did someone already have that duty in mind? :)
2024-07-31 14:16:28 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Justin, you should not. You will have enough going on :)
2024-07-31 14:16:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Confirmed attendance for Council Panel session are mattdm dcantrell ffmancera asamalik @amoloney Justin W. Flory (he/him) . Assumed attendance is Jona Azizaj (she/her) & Robert Wright (he/him) who were absent from council meeting. Unavailable are Akashdeep Dhar & bookwar 
2024-07-31 14:16:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I would prefer not to although I can do anything ad-hoc on a stage :P
2024-07-31 14:16:49 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im fine to moderate
2024-07-31 14:17:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Thank you Aoife!
2024-07-31 14:17:20 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2024-07-31 14:17:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F40 timeframe
2024-07-31 14:17:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> is that ok for others?
2024-07-31 14:17:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: Ah, the note above forgot to mention Smera Goel who is not here right now but will be at Flock
2024-07-31 14:18:03 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> !hi 
2024-07-31 14:18:04 <@amoloney:fedora.im> thank you, good spot!
2024-07-31 14:18:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers
2024-07-31 14:18:06 <@jflory7:fedora.im> For opening questions, I think a brief intro of each Council member and their pathway of contribution in Fedora are good ways to kick off
2024-07-31 14:18:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Hi Jona!
2024-07-31 14:18:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We all have different journeys into Fedora and I think a brief statement to capture some of that diversity of experience would be good
2024-07-31 14:18:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I have a different idea in mind for that...
2024-07-31 14:18:31 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, sure!
2024-07-31 14:18:52 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Hi folks 👋 Sorry I'm late, I'll read the chat to catch up quickly 😅
2024-07-31 14:19:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (she/her): Good morning :D
2024-07-31 14:19:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to moderate Fedora Council panel at Flock
2024-07-31 14:19:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Smera Goel is also assumed as present for the Council panel!
2024-07-31 14:20:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I was thinking, and can be convinced to not do this :) but would it be more efficient for us to have a slide per council member with who they are and a little bit about them and Im happy to do quick crowd intros for you all?
2024-07-31 14:21:06 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'm okay with it. I need to update my Fedora bio anyway. :)
2024-07-31 14:21:37 <@asamalik:fedora.im> I'm terrible at making a slide about myself :D I'd prefer to just wing it and say something. But can attempt to do one if others prefer
2024-07-31 14:21:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It would also be good for the Councilfolk not in physical attendance
2024-07-31 14:21:57 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> same
2024-07-31 14:22:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> FTR Im offering to make said slides :D 
2024-07-31 14:22:20 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !hi 
2024-07-31 14:22:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Akashdeep Dhar (t0xic0der) - he / him / his
2024-07-31 14:22:25 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Sorry I am late
2024-07-31 14:22:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> but if you'd prefer to ad lib it, thats completely fine! It was just an idea I had
2024-07-31 14:22:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This could also be a good use of 10-15 minutes at the hackfest possibly too, just so you don't have to add "biographer" to your CV too :D
2024-07-31 14:23:06 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> if you want to make a slide for me, that's fine.  I also don't mind introducing myself
2024-07-31 14:23:27 <@asamalik:fedora.im> hah if Aoife Moloney makes the slide, I'm in! :D 
2024-07-31 14:23:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think its best leave it to self intro's then and have it all the same 
2024-07-31 14:23:55 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I like the idea of shortening the Council introduction and jumping to the discussion of hot topics. If slides help with that, then it can be slides.
2024-07-31 14:24:34 <@bookwar:fedora.im> I think that at Flock the focus of the Council meeting is not getting to know the personalities, but rather getting to know about the current work of the Council
2024-07-31 14:24:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Also Jason Brooks will not be at Flock either from this list
2024-07-31 14:24:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im still willing to make 1, maybe 2 slides, with some help from council please, to set the stage (no pun intended) on our purpose in Fedora
2024-07-31 14:24:45 <@asamalik:fedora.im> We spending a lot of time on this. I'll do whatever you all do! I have no strong opinion on this
2024-07-31 14:24:59 <@asamalik:fedora.im> We're spending a lot of time on this. I'll do whatever you all do! I have no strong opinion on this
2024-07-31 14:25:12 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yes, although there's something to making sure that people know who we are, and that we can be talked to about things _outside_ of the Flock session 
2024-07-31 14:25:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yeah what Adam said. :)
2024-07-31 14:25:47 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Then lets do opener slide about the council, one slide on who is not there, and self intros from panel members present
2024-07-31 14:25:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> A change in direction perhaps, but are there hot topics that we want to discuss as Council before opening the floor up?
2024-07-31 14:25:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> >inb4 git forge
2024-07-31 14:26:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I mean, probably the Strategy, but I guess that is part of the Monday hackfest agenda.
2024-07-31 14:27:02 <@bookwar:fedora.im> GitForge, bootc, AI
2024-07-31 14:27:08 <@bookwar:fedora.im> The usual :)
2024-07-31 14:27:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ok Im running with my above suggestio, thanks!
2024-07-31 14:27:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I know there is already a big session at Flock about git forge too, from Tomas
2024-07-31 14:27:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !Topic Git Forge Evaluation
2024-07-31 14:27:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> drat
2024-07-31 14:27:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> AI/ML is a good one
2024-07-31 14:28:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I wish we had bootc representation on the panel 😅
2024-07-31 14:28:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Topic: Git Forge Evaluation Timeline
2024-07-31 14:28:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: It was the capital T
2024-07-31 14:28:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Git Forge Evaluation
2024-07-31 14:28:42 <@mattdm:fedora.im> FTR...
2024-07-31 14:28:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> this is important to the team to have from us
2024-07-31 14:29:03 <@mattdm:fedora.im> see https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/limitations-of-pagure-web-ui-for-documentation/126481 for some ongoing confusion about Fedora and forges...
2024-07-31 14:29:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> We definitely need to drive some project clarity here!
2024-07-31 14:29:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Agreed
2024-07-31 14:30:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> What is a reasonable timeline to ask that this initial investigation into Forgejo and GitLab should be done by?
2024-07-31 14:30:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The team have instances of both deployed in CommuniShift and the talk will be centered around state of current play & next steps
2024-07-31 14:31:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Akashdeep Dhar: has better information on the investigation if we have questions
2024-07-31 14:31:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I recall jednorozec sharing that this might not be clear before Flock. Is this something we can answer as the Council right now? Are we going to be able to answer this in the panel discussion?
2024-07-31 14:31:33 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Are there things about the transition that we can try to assure people on?
2024-07-31 14:31:35 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://forgejoroute-communishift-forgejo.apps.fedora.cj14.p1.openshiftapps.com/
2024-07-31 14:31:40 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Forgejo deployment 
2024-07-31 14:31:48 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab-gitlab-system.apps.fedora.cj14.p1.openshiftapps.com/
2024-07-31 14:31:53 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> GitLab deployment 
2024-07-31 14:32:09 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Limited access only - This will be announced by jednorozec 
2024-07-31 14:32:19 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> During his Flock talk about the progress we have made on the investigations
2024-07-31 14:32:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We are at the meeting halfway point and I want to avoid making this discussion about the git forge decision, but instead about how we communicate the git forge decision on the panel
2024-07-31 14:32:45 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The team cant tell *us* when they're done by....well they can, but the responsibility is *ours* to give them a realistic timeline
2024-07-31 14:32:47 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> We want folks to help us with the investigation as well as to help us with expanding the user stories
2024-07-31 14:33:13 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> +1 Justin W. Flory (he/him) - Please reach out to me later for more info on this.
2024-07-31 14:33:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I want the investigation completed and a report in my hands by F41 release, October 23rd (or somewhere around that mark)
2024-07-31 14:33:49 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Can we say that publicly in the panel?
2024-07-31 14:33:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I want a migration plan drawn up and submitted as a F42 change
2024-07-31 14:34:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I want pagure to be off by F44 release
2024-07-31 14:34:27 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'm okay with that as a milestone (F41 release), but I think we need something _before_ that.
2024-07-31 14:34:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I like this timeline though :)
2024-07-31 14:34:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Before October 23rd?
2024-07-31 14:34:59 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yes
2024-07-31 14:35:03 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> This is more of a "should we" question IMO. Depending on the reception of jednorozec's talk, we can decide if we want to do this or not.
2024-07-31 14:35:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Panel comes first though.
2024-07-31 14:35:19 <@humaton:fedora.im> I can report to the council and publically before we are finished with the investigation
2024-07-31 14:35:25 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Like, an announcement of the test instances, and of the roadmap itself
2024-07-31 14:35:34 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Bonkers :(
2024-07-31 14:36:11 <@mattdm:fedora.im> An invitation for, for example, the docs team to try things out and a mechanism for them to provide feedback / input.
2024-07-31 14:36:45 <@mattdm:fedora.im> (And, is that part of the CPE/ARC investigation, or is that _another input_?)
2024-07-31 14:36:50 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We should agree to this timeline to give to the team - have them agree to it or horse trade with us on dates
2024-07-31 14:36:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> if thet
2024-07-31 14:37:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Can we get agreement on that before Monday?
2024-07-31 14:37:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> if they cant do it for some reason, thats a diff conversation
2024-07-31 14:37:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The timeline feels very tight to get this level of commitment 
2024-07-31 14:37:30 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> It is a part of the extended ARC investigation that we announced during F40 release party
2024-07-31 14:37:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> If ppl have other proposals on drop dead dates for this, please do share them 
2024-07-31 14:37:50 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am feeling a bit anxious about how we present this on the panel
2024-07-31 14:38:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I don't want to promise something that we can't deliver on, or we haven't worked with the right stakeholders to get consensus on this
2024-07-31 14:38:13 <@mattdm:fedora.im> how so?
2024-07-31 14:38:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am okay with us saying this is what we want, but I am concerned with presenting it as "this is how it will be"
2024-07-31 14:38:36 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I think right now, the biggest problem is that people aren't aware of what's going on
2024-07-31 14:38:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> jednorozec's talk will cover most of this for us
2024-07-31 14:38:58 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We present it as 'We have trusted a group of ppl from CPE ARC (and community) to investigate our dist-git options and have asked them to complete it by F41 release so the council can review it and make an informed decision on what forge to pursue'
2024-07-31 14:39:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> What can the Council provide that jednorozec cannot?
2024-07-31 14:39:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ew are not talking about their work
2024-07-31 14:39:14 <@mattdm:fedora.im> At the same time, we _do_ need to start narrowing things down, and there _are_ some real-world constraints.
2024-07-31 14:39:19 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> True and if anything, I would be confident that not only we are letting people know but also opening up the feedback loop for the stakeholders to give us user stories to compare Forgejo and GitLab on.
2024-07-31 14:39:47 <@asamalik:fedora.im> So should we be more specific about specific parts that come soon, and less specific about the later ones?
2024-07-31 14:39:47 <@asamalik:fedora.im> 
2024-07-31 14:39:47 <@asamalik:fedora.im> Like we can have a date for an announcement of the staging instances and invitations to specific groups to test it for specific features (like the docs team)
2024-07-31 14:39:47 <@asamalik:fedora.im> 
2024-07-31 14:39:47 <@asamalik:fedora.im> But then shutting pagure down could be "around year X" for example. 
2024-07-31 14:40:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ^^ this
2024-07-31 14:40:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If we have unity on this with our stakeholders, this seems like a fine position for the Council to have during the hackfest
2024-07-31 14:40:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If we have unity on this with our stakeholders, this seems like a fine position for the Council to have during the panel
2024-07-31 14:40:29 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Nope. We gotta open it up to segue into jednorozec's talk. The very point we want to emphasize on is that the ARC investigation is now happening in the open with us encouraging people to participate and let us know about their requirements.
2024-07-31 14:40:29 <@asamalik:fedora.im> An we'd get more and more specific as things clear up. 
2024-07-31 14:40:43 <@jflory7:fedora.im> asamalik: +1
2024-07-31 14:41:03 <@asamalik:fedora.im> And we could have specific dates (or months or quarters) for the next revision of the plan. Making things more specific at that point. 
2024-07-31 14:41:08 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Agreed.
2024-07-31 14:41:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah I agree with that
2024-07-31 14:41:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> and as council we can talk about the investigation to do that
2024-07-31 14:41:57 <@asamalik:fedora.im> But we don't know what's coming, we don't know what the feedback is gonna be. So the further we try to estimate, the more blurry it naturally is. So let's just represent it that way. 
2024-07-31 14:42:32 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/arc/issue/164
2024-07-31 14:43:00 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> We actually know the feedback - We are rounding up user stories to compare GitLab and Forgejo on.
2024-07-31 14:43:00 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Anything beyond that is not something we account for.
2024-07-31 14:43:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Time check, just shy of 15 minutes left for this meeting 
2024-07-31 14:43:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We might be going too deep on git forge :) 
2024-07-31 14:43:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> So, back to timeline. As council we have requested the ARC team to investigate our options. We have been unclear on when we want this by. I've offered my preferred timeline but thats open to discussion and a better one to emerge
2024-07-31 14:43:40 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> No point in collecting feedback if we know the "feedback"
2024-07-31 14:43:40 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> That sounds weird - We know the "range of feedback" if it makes sense.
2024-07-31 14:43:55 <@mattdm:fedora.im> This is focused on dist-git use cases, right?
2024-07-31 14:44:11 <@humaton:fedora.im> As the ARC lead I can work with proposed timeline
2024-07-31 14:44:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I endorse this as our Council position. We can keep things fluid and be transparent about where we are in the process.
2024-07-31 14:44:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Thank you jednorozec 
2024-07-31 14:44:41 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Plus Bugzilla - It is tied in deeply with the packaging workflow.
2024-07-31 14:44:50 <@humaton:fedora.im> Distgit+bugzilla but the basic assumption is that this use cases can cover most of the fedora project needs
2024-07-31 14:45:04 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Could we start getting periodic (weekly? every other week?) updates similar to https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/infra-and-releng-update-week-30-2024/127012, but dedicated to the gitforge work?
2024-07-31 14:45:05 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Did we want to mention anything about bootc or AI/ML? 
2024-07-31 14:45:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> What about questions on these things? 
2024-07-31 14:45:18 <@humaton:fedora.im> If you look into the workload that are being used by different fedora group, general git and project hosting covers it.
2024-07-31 14:45:21 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Yes, I will be taking that on
2024-07-31 14:45:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> jednorozec: & I met last week to clarify 
2024-07-31 14:46:01 <@amoloney:fedora.im> So the team needs some support on comms, and I can support them on that
2024-07-31 14:46:03 <@mattdm:fedora.im> This is probably true, and I _don't_ want to increase the scope of the current investigation, but we (the Council) will need to make sure we hear from people with other use cases (again, docs team as example, but that's not the only one. Fedora Legal, Design, ... and the Council itself for that matter).
2024-07-31 14:46:24 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> I do provide copious amount of updates for the CPE program call and it would be awkward if they do not turn up on the weekly I&R comms
2024-07-31 14:46:24 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> I will look into it. 
2024-07-31 14:46:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> All of the mentioned are not using ANY special features....
2024-07-31 14:46:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> There was a piece in my weekly report on the git forge replacement this week and we can formalise a dedicated report this week and for post flock 
2024-07-31 14:46:40 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Ok, I'm good with the October schedule as long as we have those weekly updates.
2024-07-31 14:47:02 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Agreed.
2024-07-31 14:48:40 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Are we _sure_ of that? I'm not. :)
2024-07-31 14:48:52 <@mattdm:fedora.im> But I shouldn't sidetrack us on that right now 
2024-07-31 14:49:16 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I just want to make sure everyone's needs are heard. Because I want people to be _excited_ about moving to this.
2024-07-31 14:49:28 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> But I am afraid that might introduce a major scope creep.
2024-07-31 14:49:28 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Worst case scenario - We open up the "gathering of user stories" to them too.
2024-07-31 14:49:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> So I spend some time lurking around the gitlab space and around docs repos. And I am sure about their heavy usage of project hosting and some runners
2024-07-31 14:49:50 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Please move this convo to the ARC room folks :)
2024-07-31 14:49:54 <@humaton:fedora.im> both sollutions have customizable runners so yeah I am pretty sure, but I wannt to talk to people @flock
2024-07-31 14:49:58 <@humaton:fedora.im> sory
2024-07-31 14:50:06 <@amoloney:fedora.im> its ok :p
2024-07-31 14:50:09 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I _definitely_ do not want to increase the scope of the current investigation. This might be a supplementary / parallel thing.
2024-07-31 14:50:29 <@asamalik:fedora.im> I think letting them provide feedback and try those options would, in the least, get us buy in? Also if they're not using any special features, there's nothing to worry about and they'll love both options :) (and if not, that's a reason we should ask them too)
2024-07-31 14:50:59 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Sounds like we all agree. :)
2024-07-31 14:53:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !proposed The Council will request that the dist-git evaluation of Forgejo  & GitLab will be completed by the CPE ARC team and others who wish to participate by F41 release date - End of October. Further, more specific timelines for the overall git forge evaluation & move will come after this investigation concludes.
2024-07-31 14:53:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:18 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:22 <@mattdm:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:26 <@asamalik:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:26 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:34 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-31 14:53:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to record this decision in git forge timeline ticket and publically acknowledge this 
2024-07-31 14:54:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> want to open floor-it for last 5 mins?
2024-07-31 14:54:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yep 👍🏻
2024-07-31 14:54:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-07-31 14:55:02 <@mattdm:fedora.im> When does the AI survey close? UTC midnight, or...?
2024-07-31 14:55:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yes UTC, and actually I wanted to ask what we want to *do* with the results
2024-07-31 14:55:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I will likely extend it a day and send a reminder email to complete
2024-07-31 14:55:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> With the timeline we have, all we will be able to do in the short-term is share insights in the panel 
2024-07-31 14:55:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think that's fine 
2024-07-31 14:56:03 <@asamalik:fedora.im> are we all getting the results? Or will we get some sort of summary? (my first survey as a council member!) 
2024-07-31 14:56:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We don't have to solve AI in Fedora in this panel 
2024-07-31 14:56:06 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I want to see the results immediately because there is currently a gaping hole in my keynote
2024-07-31 14:56:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But we can use the responses collected to inform our perspective and positions 
2024-07-31 14:56:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> same :)
2024-07-31 14:56:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ill leave the deadline then?
2024-07-31 14:56:47 <@amoloney:fedora.im> its midnight tonight
2024-07-31 14:57:03 <@mattdm:fedora.im> asamalik: Generally it's been a summary outside of specific people doing the analysis.
2024-07-31 14:57:15 <@mattdm:fedora.im> but I think we're open to any council member volunteering to help with that
2024-07-31 14:57:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm fine with that, but I would expect people at Flock who did not complete the survey to have opinions that they want to share 
2024-07-31 14:57:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> If we can direct that feedback productively, awesome 
2024-07-31 14:57:56 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah, let's do the midnight deadline, and then Aoife Moloney or Justin W. Flory (he/him) can you get the results spreadsheet to me as soon as possible after that?
2024-07-31 14:58:06 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Oh, they sure will :)
2024-07-31 14:58:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Reminder: the core of this survey was to try to capture the general sentiment or feeling about AI/ML and its potential uses in and for Fedora to create informed guildeines for the project to use 
2024-07-31 14:58:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Right. So a good way of productively redirecting that feedback is something we should plan for
2024-07-31 14:58:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We know people will have opinions and I want to avoid the panel being too much about any one topic 
2024-07-31 14:59:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I don't want the panel to be 100% git forge or 100% AI/ML
2024-07-31 14:59:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im not sure what else there is to talk about :D
2024-07-31 14:59:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is probably a hackfest-worthy topic 
2024-07-31 14:59:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Since we only have a minute left here :) 
2024-07-31 14:59:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Community Initiatives!
2024-07-31 14:59:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We should really spotlight these 
2024-07-31 14:59:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And get people to know about them 
2024-07-31 14:59:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We (I) have done a downer job on promoting rhemc
2024-07-31 15:00:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> People don't know we have active Initiatives 
2024-07-31 15:00:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We really need to communicate and promote this work 
2024-07-31 15:00:11 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Possibly encourage them to bring up those too ;p
2024-07-31 15:00:13 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And celebrate the achievements of our Initiative leads 
2024-07-31 15:00:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I want that to be a theme of the panel 
2024-07-31 15:00:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We need to make Community Initiatives awesome and wonderful, and encourage people to drive change in the project through this channel 
2024-07-31 15:00:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> This is probably my #1 priority on the panel personally 
2024-07-31 15:01:20 <@asamalik:fedora.im> +1 to focusing on innitiatives more than on hot topics
2024-07-31 15:01:36 <@asamalik:fedora.im> that's how we drive intentional change in the project
2024-07-31 15:02:02 <@asamalik:fedora.im> hot topics are for pubs :P 
2024-07-31 15:02:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And not trial by conference panel :D
2024-07-31 15:02:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Heheh
2024-07-31 15:02:17 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Were at time so I think thats a nice way to end the meeting
2024-07-31 15:02:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I know we are at time now 
2024-07-31 15:02:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks Aoife Moloney for chairing today! 
2024-07-31 15:02:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2024-07-31 15:02:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F40 timeframe
2024-07-31 15:02:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Thank you folks, its a tough meeting sometimes with the topics we have to try to work through
2024-07-31 15:02:42 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> thank you all! 
2024-07-31 15:02:49 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> See you folks around!
2024-07-31 15:02:56 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !endmeeting