#dei:fedoraproject.org log

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:06:08

!startmeeting Fedora DEI Team - 2024-02-01

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:06:08

Meeting started at 2024-02-01 13:06:08 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:06:08

The Meeting name is 'Fedora DEI Team - 2024-02-01'

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:06:16

!meetingname diversity

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:06:23

!topic Intros, welcomes, hellos

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:06:36

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:06:38

Jona Azizaj (jonatoni) - she / her / hers

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:06:48

hi Robert Wright (he/him) 👋

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:06:48

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:06:49

Robert Wright (rwright) - he / him / his

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:06:55

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:06:56

Marie Nordin (riecatnor) - she / her / hers

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:07:04

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:07:06

Amita Sharma (amsharma)

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:07:24

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:07:26

emma kidney (ekidney) - she / her / hers

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:08:00

smelling so good :)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:08:35

!info Present: jonatoni, rwright, riecatnor, amsharma, ekidney, Sarah Thornton (she/her)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:08:45

!topic Team announcements & news

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:08:53

Anyone have anything to share?

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:09:46

Fosdem is this weekend!

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:09:54

woohoo

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:10:21

Can’t wait :)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:10:34

#info FOSDEM 2024 will be held on 3-4 February 2024 (this weekend)

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:10:48

Hope it’s a great time! I’ll miss yall :)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:10:52

!info FOSDEM 2024 will be held on 3-4 February 2024 (this weekend)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:11:10

first time chairing a meeting on Matrix 😅

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:11:29

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2024

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:11:50

We will miss you riecatnor

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:12:09

and Robert Wright (he/him) Emma Kidney we will meet soon 😄

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:12:30

!info Fedora Ops Architect Weekly

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:12:41

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ops-architect-weekly-3/

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:12:45

no mention of me Jona :(

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:12:56

that's not nice

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:13:07

ah sorry Amita

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:13:11

☹️

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:13:22

Of course we will miss you ❤️

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:13:29

hehe, just kidding

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:13:39

good luck for FOSDEM

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:13:41

I'm just too focused to not mess up the commands for the meeting 😅

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:13:43

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:13:57

I am sure Fedora booth will be busiest one this year as well

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:14:04

Anything else to add here? 🙂

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:14:16

Do we want to talk about the DEI ticket that was raised in discussion this week?

<@ami117:matrix.org>

13:14:18

take it easy, you got this gal :)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:14:44

yes - we will do it in a few minutes

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:14:58

OK awesome then I’ll wait. :)

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:15:15

And yes, I get very nervous about using the matrix bot as well so no worries you got this.

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:15:43

!topic DEI Advisor updates to the team

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:15:53

!info Last call for the Council hackfest topics and feedback

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:16:02

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/32

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:16:40

Please add your comments in the ticket - the hackfest will happen next week

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:16:54

Robert Wright (he/him) will be there too 🙂

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:17:13

!topic Ticket discussions

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:17:35

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/milestones/4

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:18:19

Robert Wright (he/him) do you want to add something about the hackfest? Sorry just noticed you were typing

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:18:36

Nope! Sorry. I’m on my phone and hitting keys while walking in the airport

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:18:54

No worries 😅 and safe travels 😄

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:10

!topic Flock location and DEI policy

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:19

!link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/flock-location-and-dei-policy/102686

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:19:35

There is not a GitLab ticket yet for this

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:20:15

It’s an interesting discussion

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:20:18

I shoved my foot in my mouth in this discussion post accidentally. Haha

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:20:58

An important topic tho

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:21:06

I actually agree with the posters thoughts though that we start with some thing, and then just keep iterating on it rather than waiting to get something finished and perfect.

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:21:17

I just don’t know what our definition of a minimal viable policy is on this.

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:21:41

Is it almost like a checklist kinda thing?

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:21:42

unfortunately, it's a constantly shifting landscape

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:22:19

I agree with you - I think we need to discuss about this

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:22:55

the NAACP has some guidelines for states and locations, not based on govt reported travel requirements (Florida is a good example)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:22:58

but probably it would be good to have someone take a lead on writing a draft and then giving feedback

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:23:25

Well, I guess then the question is do we want to say that the policy says there is a checklist and then we take the checklist aside so that way we kind of decouple the problem

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:23:32

That way if we want to iterate on the checklist it’s a little bit faster

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:23:40

works for me

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:24:14

I think to your point @Sarah, that things are changing so much we’re never gonna be able to get it codified

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:24:17

we have one checklist that we started in 2019 https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/16

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:24:48

agreed, it's not something we can do and say "done" - it changes day by day

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:25:12

makes it difficult, otherwise we are playing whack-a-mole :-)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:25:28

💯

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:26:25

Could we track the checklist in a sub project on gitlab and then add issues if there needs changing? That way people can have input too

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:26:33

Easier to track too

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:26:48

that's a good idea actually

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:26:50

Can we do an issue template? Is that something we can commit and then PR it?

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:26:59

To Emma’s point?

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:27:18

yes, we can definitely do that

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:27:35

either as a subproject on GitLab or we can find another way

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:28:24

I can check that with Justin W. Flory (he/him)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:29:37

Anything else to add here folks?

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:30:33

Happy to help draft some of the policy text

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:30:46

I can write a draft and send over

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:30:52

that would be great Robert Wright (he/him) 🎉

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:30:54

Happy to collaborate :-)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:30:59

thanks Robert

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:31:02

And if someone else does the checklist draft

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:31:10

🎉

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:31:14

We can meet in the middle and edit. I’ll send a HackMd file here shortly

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:31:31

I can help out too

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:31:43

I’m on a 12 hour flight - and as someone who does Risk and Compliance for a day job I feel like this is where I can help out a template for everyone to edit haha

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:32:21

Happy to review and comment on the draft!

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:33:15

😍 awesome - so I will action Robert Wright (he/him) and then everyone will help to review/comment on the draft

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:33:26

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13:33:29

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13:33:37

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13:33:42

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13:33:43

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13:33:54

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<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:34:32

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<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:34:39

!action rwright will create a first draft for the Flock location and DEI policy

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:34:47

No worries on the cookie, I have a cup of tea and a real cookie (or two) at my desk :-)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:35:16

anything else to add here or should we continue to the next ticket?

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:36:14

!topic DEI 🤝 Marketing — Building a strategy for a more diverse communication

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:36:22

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/dei/home/-/issues/33

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:36:52

another ticket that we can do some brainstorming on how to help the marketing team

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:39:17

I love this ticket!

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:40:12

I think the best way to make this happen is to collaborate on promotion for the regular stuff the team does- that’s the authentic stuff :)

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:40:50

I agree - authenticity and visibility is what DEI should show. Forced views of it is where you get rainbow capitalism like he says

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:41:10

So our dei team organized events- for example the marketing team did an amazing job helping with the creative freedom summit, we brought them in early, kept them updated, shared any assets we created, etc

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:41:46

Maybe we volunteer someone as tribute to be visible - show more faces of Fedora? Show the new folks or folks who may want to know that we’re not just saying we’re DEI focused, but more that we mean it

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:42:03

Tribute makes me think… A fedora sacrifice 🤣

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:42:31

I have to drop - the problem with working in InfoSec is that problems happen and are never considerate of people's time :-)

<@sarah-thornton:matrix.org>

13:42:43

I hope everyone has a great time this weekend!

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:42:53

Another thing we could do is ask them to promote our quarterly update posts

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:42:58

I think it’s important to show like younger college aged or whatever that open source and things like Fedora are welcoming places

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:43:21

thanks for joining Sarah Thornton (she/her) 👋 bye

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:44:37

I think a good way to do this is to get those people in already established fedora venues.. maybe over creating our own dei highlight sort of series? The main reason I say that is bc I don’t want people to get targeted for being the face of dei for fedora

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:44:37

another thing Justin has mentioned was the "How do you Fedora" series https://fedoramagazine.org/series/how-do-you-fedora/

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:44:53

Yes how do you fedora or getting folks on the podcast

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:45:54

Something that could be nice is somehow collaborating with the flock organizers to make some posts around the cfp inviting diverse groups of people to apply

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:46:12

Something that could be nice is collaborating with the flock organizers to make some posts around the cfp inviting diverse groups of people to apply

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:47:19

Something that worked well for the creative freedom summit was just inviting underrepresented folks to present- people we knew had great things to say- and cut out the cfp process for them

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:47:28

Idk if that would work for flock but it’s an idea

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:48:29

A bonus of that would be if those people need visas, they wouldn’t have to wait for the cfp to be managed to start applying for their visa

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:49:05

I’m sure Justin will see this later and comment on the feasibility of this idea 😁

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:49:35

I will add an action item to comment on the ticket with all the great ideas provided here. 🙂 If any other ideas come later, please add them to the ticket 🎉

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:49:57

I think thats a great idea Marie!

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:49:59

!action jonatoni comment on the ticket with all the ideas provided during this meeting

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:50:09

One more idea 😆 we should invite people personally along with general calls- for the various ideas we’ve mentioned

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:50:19

this would be great

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:51:01

Sometimes folks can be shy or be like oh they don’t mean *me*, a personal invitation helps them get over that hump (aka me, this is literally my experience lol)

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:52:16

I think last year Justin did something similar with one of the keynotes

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:52:34

but because of visas she didn't manage to join us

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:53:00

Ack yea visas are so tough

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:53:30

yeah 😅 it's always a struggle

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:53:48

I say we invest effort in VR spaces. Eliminate the whole travel process. I’ll see you all in the metaverse 😂

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:53:57

since we don't have a lot of time left, I will continue to open floor

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:54:05

!topic Open floor

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:55:17

Creative freedom summit went so well! Our program of speakers was wonderfully diverse this year ☺️

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:55:55

great job to the organizing team - I attended some of the talks and I really liked it 🎉

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:55:57

It was def a great call to do a cfp and to invite some folks

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:56:01

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13:56:14

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<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:57:02

Emma Kidney was a huge part of why it was a success 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:57:02

Oh my goodness did Zod just send a gif

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:57:09

I did lol

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:57:13

Oh lol

<@riecatnor:fedora.im>

13:57:31

It does show under Zod tho 😅

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:57:36

Emma Kidney++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:57:36

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13:57:38

jonatoni has already given cookies to ekidney during the F39 timeframe

<@rwright:fedora.im>

13:57:52

Emma Kidney++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:57:54

rwright gave a cookie to ekidney. They now have 15 cookies, 9 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:58:08

cookie party 😍

<@ekidney:matrix.org>

13:58:29

hehe thanks

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:59:21

soon...we need to start working on Fedora Week of Diversity

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

13:59:40

so if someone wants to volunteer, please comment in the ticket 🙏

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:00:13

more events coming up 😅

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:00:34

and I think it's time to close the meeting for today 🎉

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:00:41

thanks a lot everyone for joining

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:00:47

see you in 2 weeks 🙂

<@jonatoni:fedora.im>

14:00:53

!endmeeting