19:31:56 <pboy> #startmeeting docs
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19:32:08 <pboy> #chair pboy darknao
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19:32:18 <pboy> topic Roll call
19:32:23 <hankuoffroad[m]> .hello hankuoffroad
19:32:24 <zodbot> hankuoffroad[m]: hankuoffroad 'None' <allegrovelo@gmail.com>
19:32:30 <pboy> .hi
19:32:31 <zodbot> pboy: pboy 'Peter Boy' <pboy@uni-bremen.de>
19:32:35 <copperi[m]> .hello copperi
19:32:36 <zodbot> copperi[m]: copperi 'Jan Kuparinen' <copper_fin@hotmail.com>
19:33:20 <pboy> Welcome everybody
19:33:23 <hankuoffroad[m]> Greetings to all
19:33:43 <pboy> darknao will join us a bit later
19:33:54 <pboy> So let's start.
19:34:04 <pboy> topic Agenda
19:34:16 <pboy> #topic Announcements
19:34:31 <pboy> #topic #undo
19:34:34 <pboy> #undo
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19:34:39 <pboy> #topic Agenda
19:34:56 <pboy> #info Announcements
19:35:14 <pboy> #info Tickets review: there is one ticket flagged for the meeting on GitLab
19:35:28 <pboy> #info Quick docs update
19:35:41 <pboy> #info Open floor
19:35:57 <pboy> anything to add here?
19:36:16 <pboy> Obviously not
19:36:26 <hankuoffroad[m]> about Quick Docs, there are four PRs on YubiKey. https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/pull-request/574
19:36:29 <pboy> #topic Announcements
19:37:30 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] yes, we discuss those in the quick docs topic.
19:37:56 <pboy> Anythint to announce here?
19:38:12 <hankuoffroad[m]> nah
19:38:12 <pboy> s/Anythint/Anything
19:38:24 <pboy> OK, net topic
19:39:07 <pboy> #topic Tickets review.
19:39:23 <pboy> there is one ticket flagged for the meeting on GitLab :
19:39:41 <pboy> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/docs/community-tools/documentation-contributors-guide/-/merge_requests/48
19:40:34 <hankuoffroad[m]> yep, that's from me. I found out when I wrote local authoring environment in December 2022, I accidentally stashed local preview page.
19:41:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> I updated it and put them back on nav.adoc
19:41:41 <pboy> Yeah, I see.
19:42:22 <pboy> It's now an item on the same level as How to create ... local authoring environment, isn't it?
19:42:28 <hankuoffroad[m]> I realized local preview is a key step for local authoring environment. Yes
19:42:45 <hankuoffroad[m]> same section level like a sequel :)
19:43:29 <pboy> Yeah, sequel nice concept. :-)
19:43:46 <hankuoffroad[m]> i mean a series, not SQL..lol
19:44:05 <hankuoffroad[m]> watched Netflix too much
19:44:24 <pboy> yeah, modern times
19:44:28 <pboy> Im considering, isn't a local preview a part in the local authoring workflow?
19:44:56 <pboy> editing -> local preview -> editing again, etc.
19:45:38 <pboy> And can someone do a local prfeview without having a local authoring environment?
19:45:39 <hankuoffroad[m]> yes. I just thought it is going to be a long doc if combined.
19:46:08 <hankuoffroad[m]> one can write on local authoring environment without local preview
19:46:11 <pboy> It is is one doc, it's really long.
19:46:29 <pboy> yes, but not vice versa, I think
19:46:30 <hankuoffroad[m]> my first article on local authoring was about git.
19:46:42 <darknao> hi! sorry for being late
19:46:52 <pboy> welcome darknao!
19:46:52 <darknao> thanks pboy++ for chairing
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19:47:00 <hankuoffroad[m]> yes two are a great combo, I can't live without
19:47:20 <hankuoffroad[m]> welcome darknao
19:48:07 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: 100%
19:48:18 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m]  comes into my mind, should we make two "subpages" under local authoring,.,,, about git and about prfeview?
19:49:13 <hankuoffroad[m]> could do, but nested navigation bar defeats the purpose sometimes
19:49:59 <pboy> We could try the corresponding option in Antora, navigation, or what was it?
19:50:00 <hankuoffroad[m]> i would leave it to you to take a look, and give comments back on PR if it takes time.
19:50:26 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: don't know tbh
19:51:15 <copperi[m]> PR is ok as it only fixes small typos, design issue is another matter as I see it.
19:51:38 <pboy> darknao knows, it automatically adds a "next page" or something like that.
19:51:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> yes it is minor fix with abstract and updated links
19:52:20 <darknao> pboy: :page-pagination:
19:52:38 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: i just managed to use images and nav.adoc..don't know advanced AsciiDoc stuff
19:52:54 <pboy> darknao yeah, that's what I mean.
19:53:26 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] 'tumbs up' (don't know the ASCII short). :-)
19:53:35 <hankuoffroad[m]> Whole navagition bar and ToC is a mess tbh, so we could tidy them up as another MR.
19:54:13 <pboy> You should merge it as is, and we can check in a next step, whether we can or want optimize it.
19:54:27 <pboy> It is valuable information in any case
19:54:36 <hankuoffroad[m]> that'll do
19:55:19 <pboy> #agreed We want to merge the MR and consider possible optimization later in a second step
19:55:35 <pboy> Any objection?
19:56:17 <hankuoffroad[m]> thanks, self MR for an update looks bad. Can you merge it?
19:56:30 <pboy> Yes, I can!
19:56:31 <copperi[m]> done
19:56:49 <hankuoffroad[m]> bril
19:56:51 <pboy> copperi[m]  even better :-)
19:57:10 <pboy> Can we switch?
19:57:38 <pboy> #topic Quick docs update
19:58:01 <pboy> darknao can you take over? I just chaired a server WG session.
19:58:09 <darknao> sure
19:59:32 <darknao> anything to report on the quick docs side? I think hankuoffroad[m] wanted to mention a couple of PR?
20:00:44 <hankuoffroad[m]> there are four PRs on YubiKey made by @w4tsn . Just thought anyone of you could triage and comment.
20:01:52 <pboy> Yea, that's a lot of text.
20:02:20 <darknao> I quickly checked them, and I don't see any reason to not merge them
20:02:26 <pboy> Who of us knows about Yubi Key?
20:02:40 <copperi[m]> They look ok to me too
20:02:51 <pboy> OK, so it might be best to process all PRs
20:03:04 <darknao> w4tsn obviously know about yubi key, I don't think that need any more review on the content
20:03:10 <pboy> And to add our template afterwards?
20:04:08 <pboy> OK, I'll merge it later and then check it for our new style with categories etc.
20:04:19 <pboy> later today, to get it done
20:04:43 <pboy> What about #565?
20:06:11 <pboy> hankuoffroad[m] What do you suggest what to do with it?
20:06:31 <pboy> (yours is the last comment)
20:06:57 <hankuoffroad[m]> hang on 565?
20:07:15 <pboy> yes
20:07:15 <hankuoffroad[m]> ah root account
20:07:57 <pboy> The concrete fixes look fine for. Your concern is more about the text as a whole?
20:08:12 <hankuoffroad[m]> This statement from the author seems incorrect: Fedora Workstation now disables the root account by default a
20:08:31 <pboy> Ah, didn't know that.
20:08:56 <pboy> What are they doing?  (didn't use it for a long time)
20:09:03 <darknao> looks fine to me
20:09:46 <darknao> the root user is locked (no password set, and you can't login with it by default), or at least that was the case last time I checked
20:10:03 <darknao> so seems accurate
20:10:26 <darknao> I would say it's most likely also valid for all other Fedora editions
20:10:28 <pboy> This it also my last experience.
20:10:42 <pboy> But workstation WG is changing a lot all the time
20:11:17 <hankuoffroad[m]> i don't know the behavior although I installed various labs x 10. I don't set up root account
20:12:06 <darknao> login with root is a bad practice, and openssh don't let you login with it even if the account is set up
20:12:40 <darknao> anyway, i think the PR is good enough to be merged
20:12:58 <pboy> I'Ve to check workstation edition installation on an ARM machine. I'll look what they currently doing and then merge it.
20:13:18 <hankuoffroad[m]> ok, if the change reflects that, that's fine. thanks
20:13:59 <pboy> I just emerged from my backlog pile. and can do it tomorrow.
20:15:11 <darknao> anything else on Quick Docs topic?
20:15:28 <pboy> I've a side issue
20:15:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> nope
20:16:06 <hankuoffroad[m]> pboy: what is it?
20:17:11 <pboy> Oh yes. If I install (clone) our doc repos on my aarch64 machine I get a complain about Unexpected architecture.
20:17:56 <pboy> The "old" build.sh script stops. The new builder.sh script makes a long pause, but then continues and builds it.
20:18:18 <pboy> What may be the reason for that?
20:18:38 <pboy> Shouldn't we make our repos available for all supported architectures?
20:19:25 <darknao> I don't think that's a repo issue
20:19:29 <hankuoffroad[m]> which repo? Quick Docs? Server?
20:19:34 <darknao> but more a docker issue
20:20:05 <pboy> Qickdoc uses builder.sh and works. our teampage and server don't.
20:20:05 <darknao> the build script use a container to build the site, and I'm not sure if an antora image exist for aarch64
20:20:25 <darknao> it's only amd64
20:20:49 <pboy> darknao that would explain it.
20:21:24 <pboy> Can we do something about it?
20:22:36 <pboy> It's not a really important issue for me, because the machine is a  crazy expensive big iron I can access just temporarily for testing.
20:22:50 <darknao> we don't maintain this Antora image, but you can build your own I guess
20:22:59 <darknao> not sure if that would work, but you can try
20:23:49 <pboy> I think this is beyond my time constraints.
20:23:55 <hankuoffroad[m]> if I have mac silicon, I would try to run Fedora VM. Is it not an option for you, I think?
20:24:27 <pboy> Yes, it will be an option as soon as my new Mac arrives!
20:24:52 <pboy> Our University administration has some issues about it.
20:24:57 <hankuoffroad[m]> when I stayed at an hotel with mac, I was going to try.
20:25:10 <darknao> #topic Open Floor
20:26:06 <bcotton> ohai. it seems that after the US switched to summer time, you have now stepped on the meeting i have scheduled :-) https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/location/fedora-meeting-1%40irc.libera.chat/
20:26:53 <pboy> Well, we are finished, I think. And we should shift aur time as well, I think.
20:27:54 <darknao> ah those meetings are not all UTC based?
20:28:39 <pboy> bcotton precisely you stepped in ours. :-). UTC is worldwide binding
20:28:39 <darknao> but yeah we are at the end anyway
20:29:07 <bcotton> pboy: except my meeting existed first :-)
20:29:17 <darknao> Thanks everyone for today, and thanks again pboy for starting the meeting
20:29:18 <bcotton> by several years ;-)
20:29:22 <darknao> #endmeeting