2024-05-29 18:00:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-05-29)
2024-05-29 18:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-05-29 18:00:36 UTC
2024-05-29 18:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-05-29)'
2024-05-29 18:00:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2024-05-29 18:00:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2024-05-29 18:00:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-05-29 18:00:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-29 18:00:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:00:53 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-29 18:00:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:00:57 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-05-29 18:00:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:01:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind 🎩 Robby Callicotte and Davide Cavalca 
2024-05-29 18:01:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2024-05-29 18:01:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:02:00 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-29 18:02:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2024-05-29 18:02:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> hello everyone! sorry for missing the past two meetings, travel got in the way
2024-05-29 18:02:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George and Jonathan Wright 
2024-05-29 18:02:24 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Ah yeah!  My time off for Flock was approved now I just need to book the room and flight
2024-05-29 18:02:30 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-05-29 18:02:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:02:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh wait I was sort of here two weeks ago from the airport lounge
2024-05-29 18:02:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-05-29 18:02:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2024-05-29 18:02:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-05-29 18:02:57 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> oh i guess i should request to go to flock ... or at least get time off ;) 
2024-05-29 18:03:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh lord
2024-05-29 18:03:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> "good news! your flight now arrives 10 minutes after your talk ends"
2024-05-29 18:03:42 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> lol
2024-05-29 18:03:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Mine all changed ... they are now a total of 5 minutes different, for all flights, than before.
2024-05-29 18:04:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ha. yeah, might be the same here... need to look.
2024-05-29 18:04:22 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> road trippin'
2024-05-29 18:04:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm bracing myself for the supposedly hot summer the northeast is going to get this year
2024-05-29 18:04:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> plus the Canadian wildfires which apparently has already started
2024-05-29 18:05:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic End Of Life (EOL)
2024-05-29 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://endoflife.date/centos-stream
2024-05-29 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31
2024-05-29 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31
2024-05-29 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://endoflife.date/rhel
2024-05-29 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
2024-05-29 18:05:22 <@smooge:fedora.im> allo
2024-05-29 18:05:22 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> mine did too.  wonder if it's a scheduling thing at rochester airport
2024-05-29 18:05:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Allo Stephen J Smoogen 
2024-05-29 18:05:32 <@smooge:fedora.im> goodbye CentOS Stream 8 tomorrow
2024-05-29 18:05:43 <@smooge:fedora.im> oops friday
2024-05-29 18:05:51 <@smooge:fedora.im> I am all off 
2024-05-29 18:06:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have everything set for the changeover?  Though, there isn't really a rush.
2024-05-29 18:06:31 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm thinking we should go through and clean up epel8-next and make sure that any valid builds there have been rebuilt in epel8
2024-05-29 18:06:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> builds that don't matter can just be untagged i think
2024-05-29 18:07:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, typically for fedora eols we just remove the target and remove anything automation that deals with it.
2024-05-29 18:07:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we just leave the rest there for historical fun
2024-05-29 18:08:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There are a total of 25 epel8-next packages.
2024-05-29 18:09:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... looks like I need to untag 7 of those anyway.
2024-05-29 18:09:59 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> what are we thinking for when to delete the build target?  c8s eol day?  a week after?  a month after?
2024-05-29 18:10:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> eol day
2024-05-29 18:10:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> whenever we get around to it?
2024-05-29 18:10:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> removing the target just means that no one can build against it anymore and koji doesn't have to keep it's build repo up to date
2024-05-29 18:12:05 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i can set a calendar reminder to delete the target on friday then
2024-05-29 18:12:20 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i don't think we have any automation that uses the target
2024-05-29 18:13:42 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> hmm, koschei has epel9-next, but not epel8-next.  guess nothing to do there?
2024-05-29 18:14:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> there's actually 2 targets... epel8-next and epel8-next-candidate
2024-05-29 18:14:34 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> what is the different between those anyways?
2024-05-29 18:14:56 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I know fedpkg targets the *-candidate tags
2024-05-29 18:15:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Oh, it needs retirement in bodhi and there's a number of things in infra ansible... I guess I'd say look at the fedora eol doc and follow the parts that make sense for this.
2024-05-29 18:15:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-05-29 18:15:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:15:59 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> would it be better to delay it till the monday after to avoid possibly breaking something on a friday?
2024-05-29 18:16:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure off hand why there's a second one there...
2024-05-29 18:16:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, up to you if you are doing the work. ;)
2024-05-29 18:16:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> hehe
2024-05-29 18:16:50 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> read-only friday
2024-05-29 18:16:53 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-29 18:16:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2024-05-29 18:17:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think it should be fine to do whenever.
2024-05-29 18:17:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Just so people know.  There are now only  11 packages in  epel8-next, and no other packges with the epel8-next-* tags (such as epel8-next-testing)
2024-05-29 18:17:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera 
2024-05-29 18:17:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So removing the build tag on Friday, should be great.
2024-05-29 18:18:00 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yeah i'll look through https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/release_guide/release_eol/ and see what makes sense for epel8-next
2024-05-29 18:18:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> let me or jnsamyak know if we can help with anything.
2024-05-29 18:18:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else before we move on?
2024-05-29 18:19:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> nah i think we're set
2024-05-29 18:19:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2024-05-29 18:19:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2024-05-29 18:19:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There are no open issues marked for meeting this week.
2024-05-29 18:19:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, moving on.
2024-05-29 18:19:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2024-05-29 18:20:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have any Old Business this week?
2024-05-29 18:21:22 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> do you think an epel10 status update fits as old biz, or should we make a separate agenda item for it?
2024-05-29 18:21:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I usually have it under old business ... so if you have an update for this week, go for it.
2024-05-29 18:21:51 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> how exactly is anything to do with el10 *old*? :-D
2024-05-29 18:22:06 <@smooge:fedora.im> because we now need to start working on EPEL-11
2024-05-29 18:22:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> "Old" = something that was previous on the agenda.
2024-05-29 18:22:45 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i've got some basic tag structure worked out in staging koji
2024-05-29 18:22:47 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> https://koji.stg.fedoraproject.org/koji/search?match=glob&type=tag&terms=epel10*
2024-05-29 18:22:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I thought yselkowitz already was working on EPEL-11
2024-05-29 18:23:18 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> and using that i worked out the bootstrap steps we'll need for fedpkg-minimal https://koji.stg.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2403761
2024-05-29 18:23:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this one... goes to 11
2024-05-29 18:23:46 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> reminder that this all is getting added to the working doc as we go
2024-05-29 18:23:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://hackmd.io/@carlwgeorge/S1r2tzZsp
2024-05-29 18:24:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> also while working this, i realized that c10 didn't have the distcore macro implemented, which we intend to use, so i submitted it https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/centos-release/-/merge_requests/51
2024-05-29 18:26:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> fun story -  centos-stream-release hadn't had a change for months.  And got three merge requests, for three totally different things, on the same day.
2024-05-29 18:27:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> centos-stream-release is managed in an incredibly weird way :/
2024-05-29 18:27:29 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> adjacent to this stuff, Diego Herrera has been working on fixing some deprecations and test suite stuff in fedpkg so it's in a good state to start implementing epel10 minor version stuff
2024-05-29 18:27:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it usually gets a bunch of MRs that wait until someone pulls them all in and makes a release
2024-05-29 18:27:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which makes things a little more difficult than it should be
2024-05-29 18:28:09 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that doesn't sound that weird really, just sounds like open source
2024-05-29 18:28:21 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> not saying it's a great workflow, just not really uncommon
2024-05-29 18:28:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you Diego Herrera for working on fedpkg ... I was just about to ask about that.
2024-05-29 18:29:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's mostly weird because merge conflicts are hard to resolve
2024-05-29 18:30:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya.  I had to talk to each submitter and get them all in a line to update their change request with the right release.  But that's what we had to do before autorpm
2024-05-29 18:30:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And thank you Carl George got getting these various things in place.
2024-05-29 18:30:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Diego Herrera ++
2024-05-29 18:30:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil has already given cookies to dherrera during the F40 timeframe
2024-05-29 18:30:57 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think that's all for epel10 for now, we can move on
2024-05-29 18:31:38 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> lol
2024-05-29 18:31:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there any other Old Business before we move on?
2024-05-29 18:32:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do have one.  Elections.  Just one more day of voting.
2024-05-29 18:33:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> I thought it's 2 days?
2024-05-29 18:33:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> the deadlines are confusing. and looks like council and mindshare will finish one day earlier
2024-05-29 18:33:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was looking at this - https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-elections-tasks.html ... but I think you are right.  They added a day due to the initial mixups.
2024-05-29 18:33:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> I do plan to do a PSA tomorrow to remind people to double check their votes
2024-05-29 18:34:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> since I know at least one person who voted early then got their vote reset
2024-05-29 18:34:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think that was the last of the Old Business
2024-05-29 18:35:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2024-05-29 18:35:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything for Open Floor ?
2024-05-29 18:35:15 <@smooge:fedora.im> So I just put a blog up on what I found about EPEL-7 numbers http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2024/05/where-did-5-million-epel-7-systems-come.html 
2024-05-29 18:35:45 <@smooge:fedora.im> basically it does a bit more research on things from the last meeting and pins it down a bit more
2024-05-29 18:36:48 <@smooge:fedora.im> my guess is that some sort of 'default' routing change or something that was listed as an EPEL-7 mirror in Amazon went stale.. as watching various /24's slowly grow daily
2024-05-29 18:37:22 <@smooge:fedora.im> beyond that.. nothing else for the floor
2024-05-29 18:37:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you Stephen J Smoogen  for looking into that.
2024-05-29 18:38:00 <@smooge:fedora.im> you are welcome
2024-05-29 18:38:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone else have anything for Open Floor?
2024-05-29 18:39:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok with a shorter meeting.  It's always nice.
2024-05-29 18:40:05 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> especially after last week's discussion on increasing the time (or the week before, i don't remmber)
2024-05-29 18:40:12 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nothing from I. 
2024-05-29 18:40:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for comming this week.  Thank you for all the work you do for EPEL and it's community.
2024-05-29 18:40:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> sorry, what's this about?
2024-05-29 18:40:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.
2024-05-29 18:40:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe
2024-05-29 18:40:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> I might have missed a message
2024-05-29 18:40:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> thanks Troy!
2024-05-29 18:41:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> oh, was just a brief discussion/message about increasing to 90 minutes, and then that we'd just expand to fill the time anyways
2024-05-29 18:41:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> increasing what? the meeting length?
2024-05-29 18:41:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It happened right after we closed the meeting last week.
2024-05-29 18:41:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah... no
2024-05-29 18:41:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting