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<@meetbot:fedora.im>
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<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:00:57
!startmeeting EPEL (2024-07-03)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
18:00:58
Meeting started at 2024-07-03 18:00:57 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
18:00:58
The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-07-03)'
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:01:03
!meetingname epel
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
18:01:04
The Meeting Name is now epel
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:01:09
!topic aloha
<@davide:cavalca.name>
18:01:13
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:01:14
Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:01:31
!hi
<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>
18:01:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:01:35
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:01:36
Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:01:55
morning
<@jrichardson:matrix.org>
18:01:56
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:01:58
James Richardson (jrichardson)
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:02:20
Hi Davide Cavalca Michel Lind 🎩 yselkowitz and James Richardson
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:02:23
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:02:25
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:02:26
Morning nirik
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:02:36
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:02:41
Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:02:48
hi
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:02:58
Hi Conan Kudo Carl George and Stephen J Smoogen
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
18:05:04
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:05:07
Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:09
!topic End Of Life (EOL)
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:15
RHEL 7 / epel-7 went EOL on 2024-06-30
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:21
Hi Neil Hanlon
<@dherrera:fedora.im>
18:05:27
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:05:28
Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:38
So, last week we had 4 tasks that people were going to work on with the epel7 EOL
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:50
- Close bugzillas - tdawson
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:50
- File releng issue to EOL epel7 - carl
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:50
- Write-up SOP - Smooge
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:05:50
- have epel8-release obsolete epel8-next - carl
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:06:06
I guess the last one was more with epel8-next EOL
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:06:23
the last one is here https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-639adaec19
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:06:45
first one is here https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12185
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:07:30
still work to do on the epel7 retirement, but at a minimum the targets are gone so no one can make additional epel7 builds
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:08:04
Thanks for turning off the bugs as well.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:08:29
I'm still planning on closing the bugs next week, hopefully July 8th.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:08:44
I need to test if I can EOL them.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:09:23
Stephen J Smoogen: I saw in chat that you were working on the SOP. How is that coming along?
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:09:24
i believe nirik turned off the bug filing
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:10:01
yeah, it's closed to new bugs.
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:10:06
I filed a PR against the EPEL docs
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:10:22
!link https://pagure.io/epel/pull-request/280
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:10:30
I looked some at Stephen J Smoogen's pr... but it was long and I kept getting pulled away, so I haven't looked at all of it yet.
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:10:39
https://pagure.io/epel/pull-request/280
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:10:40
same
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:10:56
oh thanks Carl and Kevin
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:11:20
It needs filling out in parts because I don't know how certain parts 'work' anymore...
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:11:38
but I figured it was a good 'hey this is what we should do'
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:11:51
I realized I need to put in a section on -next
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:12:01
but wanted to get some feedback on what I had done so far
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:12:17
[it was originally in markdown and converted to asciidoc so I hipe it is ok]
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:13:23
Stephen J Smoogen: Thank you for that. I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to reply yet. I will after this meeting.
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:13:41
no problem.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:14:17
It looks like we're on our way to getting epel7 and epel8-next EOL'ed ... is there anything missing, or anything we need to talk about before we move on?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:15:00
so, I have one item...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:15:56
on sunday, when all the epel7 packages went eol in pdc, our retire packages script tried to untag and block all of them, which hammered koji and made it pretty unresponsive...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:16:11
I stopped it, but it untagged 9k builds or so.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:16:48
My plan is to just retag those back so we keep them around...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:17:02
sounds good to me :)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:17:03
(since we need to keep them for source compliance)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:17:07
same tag, or an 'archived' tag or something else?
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:17:08
makes sense to me
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:17:55
Do we untag all the Fedora packages when a release goes EOL?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:18:13
no
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:18:21
yes, same tag...
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:18:41
I agree with what you did, stopping, and re-tagging them in. I'm just curious why it did it in the first place. I wasn't expecting that.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:19:52
yeah, me either. I think it might be that the script has changed since the last epel eol....
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:20:16
or we always removed the fedora ones from it before it ran on them...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:20:22
in any case, just wanted to note it.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:20:36
OK. Thank you for doing that. And noted.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:20:43
Anything else before we move on?
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:21:30
not from me
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:21:43
!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:21:48
https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:22:06
We don't have any open issues this week.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:22:41
Hopefully next week we have a incompatable upgrade issue to talk about.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:23:00
Troy Dawson: you're proposing an incompatible upgrade?
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:23:04
Thanks for catching that Carl George
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:23:45
Not me. It was on the mailling list.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:24:12
Anyway, this week we don't have anything, so moving on.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:24:21
!topic Old Business
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:24:27
ah yeah, the clamav update
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:25:01
!link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-0bde0374ec
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:25:51
can we give them a permanent exception and auto-approve clamav but they still need to give a heads up and coordinate the rebuilds?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:26:15
that probably needs to be a fedora-wide exception
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:26:27
I couldn't find one for fedora :/
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:26:36
true
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:26:41
if the maintainer asks for it, we could discuss it, but i don't think we should proactively offer that
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:26:43
Ya. I think it was a time where following the procedure would have prevented frustration. They seemed a little frustrated that nobody commented on their update.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:26:47
FPC basically right
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:26:55
FESCo
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:27:02
FESCo is update policy exceptions
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:27:12
FPC is packaging guideline exceptions
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:27:32
from experience unless you broadcast your updates widely or it's a major CVE nobody really karma updates much these days
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:28:11
and provenpackagers should know this ;)
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:28:31
Anyway ... we're on old business ... do we have any Old Business?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:28:50
the catch v3 / catch2 incompatibility updates should post today
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:29:26
I first proposed it in April, things got in the way - but I put up PRs last week, gave maintainers a week to respond, and am now merging and building half of the PRs that was not merged
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:29:39
my joints ache?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:29:50
mine too
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:30:49
let's all propose incompatible updates to catch
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:30:56
so we can get to 22
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:33:11
I guess I have a bit of a report on cs10, that affects epel10. I said it in our office hours. The production compose is in worse shape than last week. It's not recommended, especially graphical stuff.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:33:58
But things are working their way through, so hopefully next week we'll be stable again.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:34:51
If nobody has any other Old Business, I'll move over to Open Floor.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:35:10
!topic General Issues / Open Floor
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:35:26
Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:35:40
I asked if we can make PRs build against a side tag in the list
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:35:47
hyperkitty is down so I can't link
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:35:56
but Miro mentioned he asked for the same... 3 years ago... and it's still open :(
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:36:07
https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/240
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:36:47
he said it already works for cXs but not for fedora/epel
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:37:26
oh also Carl George related to that - any update on getting automatic tests enabled for EPEL?
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:38:04
no update, i haven't seen any progress on those issues. i can ping again.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:40:19
Anything else for Open Floor?
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:40:21
ok my open floor item is EL6 and EL7 related.'
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:40:55
I went through the last couple of weeks logs to see what was consuming those and the majority of the usage is in Amazon.
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:41:28
My guess is that the EL6 is AmazonOS 1 and EL7 is mainly AmazonOS-2
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:42:24
I haven't sen any large dip in usage due to the CentOS mirror servers being killed which might cause yum to stop trying to get new repo data
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:43:08
Outside of Amazon, EL7 is big at Google, Microsoft and then various other cloud sites
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:43:18
I thought the useage numbers were usually a week behind. I wasn't expecting to see any difference until next week, or in two more weeks.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
18:44:41
I think yum will just error on those repos, but still hit epel...
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:45:18
I had not tested it myself so didn't know
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:45:42
the usage numbers for EPEL7 are 2 days behind because they are daily counts
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:46:10
the countme numbers which do EPEL-8, EPEL-9 are a week every Wednesday I believe
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:46:17
Ah, ok.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:46:18
it depends on the alphabetical order of the repo ids
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:46:51
for centos 7 boxes, yum will crash on the base repo before it attempts the epel repo
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:48:13
hmm, i take that back, i just tested to confirm and it does look like yum keeps going after it can't reach an individual repo
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:48:36
catch update - https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-f806d7eadc
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:48:44
I think if it's mainly Amazon Linux, they aren't going to go away like CentOS Linux machines. I'm pretty sure Amazon is going to keep the repos around.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:50:34
Is there anything else for Open Floor?
<@smooge:fedora.im>
18:51:40
not from me
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:51:55
I'm good ending a little early.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
18:52:12
sounds good
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:52:28
Thank you all for coming and the good discussions. And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:52:37
I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:52:47
neil has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:52:49
ngompa gave a cookie to tdawson. They now have 71 cookies, 7 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:53:14
salimma has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:53:16
!endmeeting