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2024-07-03 18:00:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-07-03)

2024-07-03 18:00:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-03 18:00:57 UTC
2024-07-03 18:00:58 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-07-03)'
2024-07-03 18:01:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2024-07-03 18:01:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2024-07-03 18:01:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-07-03 18:01:13 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-07-03 18:01:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:01:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 18:01:35 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 18:01:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:01:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)
2024-07-03 18:01:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-07-03 18:01:56 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-03 18:01:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Richardson (jrichardson)
2024-07-03 18:02:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca Michel Lind 🎩 yselkowitz and James Richardson 
2024-07-03 18:02:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-03 18:02:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:02:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2024-07-03 18:02:36 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-03 18:02:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:02:48 <@smooge:fedora.im> hi
2024-07-03 18:02:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo Carl George and Stephen J Smoogen 
2024-07-03 18:05:04 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-07-03 18:05:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:05:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic End Of Life (EOL)
2024-07-03 18:05:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> RHEL 7 / epel-7 went EOL on 2024-06-30
2024-07-03 18:05:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-07-03 18:05:27 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-03 18:05:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2024-07-03 18:05:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, last week we had 4 tasks that people were going to work on with the epel7 EOL
2024-07-03 18:05:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> - Close bugzillas  - tdawson
2024-07-03 18:05:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> - File releng issue to EOL epel7 - carl
2024-07-03 18:05:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> - Write-up SOP - Smooge
2024-07-03 18:05:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> - have epel8-release obsolete epel8-next - carl
2024-07-03 18:06:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess the last one was more with epel8-next EOL
2024-07-03 18:06:23 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> the last one is here https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-639adaec19
2024-07-03 18:06:45 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> first one is here https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12185
2024-07-03 18:07:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> still work to do on the epel7 retirement, but at a minimum the targets are gone so no one can make additional epel7 builds
2024-07-03 18:08:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thanks for turning off the bugs as well.
2024-07-03 18:08:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm still planning on closing the bugs next week, hopefully July 8th.
2024-07-03 18:08:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I need to test if I can EOL them.
2024-07-03 18:09:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Stephen J Smoogen: I saw in chat that you were working on the SOP.  How is that coming along?
2024-07-03 18:09:24 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i believe nirik turned off the bug filing
2024-07-03 18:10:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, it's closed to new bugs.
2024-07-03 18:10:06 <@smooge:fedora.im> I filed a PR against the EPEL docs
2024-07-03 18:10:22 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/epel/pull-request/280
2024-07-03 18:10:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I looked some at Stephen J Smoogen's pr... but it was long and I kept getting pulled away, so I haven't looked at all of it yet.
2024-07-03 18:10:39 <@smooge:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/pull-request/280
2024-07-03 18:10:40 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> same
2024-07-03 18:10:56 <@smooge:fedora.im> oh thanks Carl and Kevin
2024-07-03 18:11:20 <@smooge:fedora.im> It needs filling out in parts because I don't know how certain parts 'work' anymore...
2024-07-03 18:11:38 <@smooge:fedora.im> but I figured it was a good 'hey this is what we should do'
2024-07-03 18:11:51 <@smooge:fedora.im> I realized I need to put in a section on -next 
2024-07-03 18:12:01 <@smooge:fedora.im> but wanted to get some feedback on what I had done so far
2024-07-03 18:12:17 <@smooge:fedora.im> [it was originally in markdown and converted to asciidoc so I hipe it is ok]
2024-07-03 18:13:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Stephen J Smoogen: Thank you for that.  I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to reply yet.  I will after this meeting.
2024-07-03 18:13:41 <@smooge:fedora.im> no problem. 
2024-07-03 18:14:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It looks like we're on our way to getting epel7 and epel8-next EOL'ed ... is there anything missing, or anything we need to talk about before we move on?
2024-07-03 18:15:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, I have one item...
2024-07-03 18:15:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> on sunday, when all the epel7 packages went eol in pdc, our retire packages script tried to untag and block all of them, which hammered koji and made it pretty unresponsive...
2024-07-03 18:16:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I stopped it, but it untagged 9k builds or so.
2024-07-03 18:16:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> My plan is to just retag those back so we keep them around...
2024-07-03 18:17:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sounds good to me :)
2024-07-03 18:17:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (since we need to keep them for source compliance)
2024-07-03 18:17:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> same tag, or an 'archived' tag or something else?
2024-07-03 18:17:08 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> makes sense to me
2024-07-03 18:17:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we untag all the Fedora packages when a release goes EOL?
2024-07-03 18:18:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no
2024-07-03 18:18:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, same tag...
2024-07-03 18:18:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I agree with what you did, stopping, and re-tagging them in.  I'm just curious why it did it in the first place.  I wasn't expecting that.
2024-07-03 18:19:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, me either. I think it might be that the script has changed since the last epel eol....
2024-07-03 18:20:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or we always removed the fedora ones from it before it ran on them...
2024-07-03 18:20:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in any case, just wanted to note it.
2024-07-03 18:20:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK.  Thank you for doing that.  And noted.
2024-07-03 18:20:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else before we move on?
2024-07-03 18:21:30 <@smooge:fedora.im> not from me
2024-07-03 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2024-07-03 18:21:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2024-07-03 18:22:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We don't have any open issues this week.
2024-07-03 18:22:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hopefully next week we have a incompatable upgrade issue to talk about.
2024-07-03 18:23:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> Troy Dawson: you're proposing an incompatible upgrade?
2024-07-03 18:23:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thanks for catching that Carl George 
2024-07-03 18:23:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not me.  It was on the mailling list.
2024-07-03 18:24:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway, this week we don't have anything, so moving on.
2024-07-03 18:24:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2024-07-03 18:24:27 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> ah yeah, the clamav update
2024-07-03 18:25:01 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-0bde0374ec
2024-07-03 18:25:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> can we give them a permanent exception and auto-approve clamav but they still need to give a heads up and coordinate the rebuilds?
2024-07-03 18:26:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that probably needs to be a fedora-wide exception
2024-07-03 18:26:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I couldn't find one for fedora :/
2024-07-03 18:26:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> true
2024-07-03 18:26:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> if the maintainer asks for it, we could discuss it, but i don't think we should proactively offer that
2024-07-03 18:26:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya.  I think it was a time where following the procedure would have prevented frustration.  They seemed a little frustrated that nobody commented on their update.
2024-07-03 18:26:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> FPC basically right
2024-07-03 18:26:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> FESCo
2024-07-03 18:27:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> FESCo is update policy exceptions
2024-07-03 18:27:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> FPC is packaging guideline exceptions
2024-07-03 18:27:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> from experience unless you broadcast your updates widely or it's a major CVE nobody really karma updates much these days
2024-07-03 18:28:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> and provenpackagers should know this ;)
2024-07-03 18:28:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway ... we're on old business ... do we have any Old Business?
2024-07-03 18:28:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> the catch v3 / catch2 incompatibility updates should post today
2024-07-03 18:29:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> I first proposed it in April, things got in the way - but I put up PRs last week, gave maintainers a week to respond, and am now merging and building half of the PRs that was not merged
2024-07-03 18:29:39 <@smooge:fedora.im> my joints ache?
2024-07-03 18:29:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> mine too
2024-07-03 18:30:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> let's all propose incompatible updates to catch
2024-07-03 18:30:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> so we can get to 22
2024-07-03 18:33:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess I have a bit of a report on cs10, that affects epel10.  I said it in our office hours.  The production compose is in worse shape than last week.  It's not recommended, especially graphical stuff.
2024-07-03 18:33:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But things are working their way through, so hopefully next week we'll be stable again.
2024-07-03 18:34:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If nobody has any other Old Business, I'll move over to Open Floor.
2024-07-03 18:35:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2024-07-03 18:35:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?
2024-07-03 18:35:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> I asked if we can make PRs build against a side tag in the list
2024-07-03 18:35:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> hyperkitty is down so I can't link
2024-07-03 18:35:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> but Miro mentioned he asked for the same... 3 years ago... and it's still open :(
2024-07-03 18:36:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/240
2024-07-03 18:36:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> he said it already works for cXs but not for fedora/epel
2024-07-03 18:37:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh also Carl George related to that - any update on getting automatic tests enabled for EPEL?
2024-07-03 18:38:04 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> no update, i haven't seen any progress on those issues.  i can ping again.
2024-07-03 18:40:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else for Open Floor?
2024-07-03 18:40:21 <@smooge:fedora.im> ok my open floor item is EL6 and EL7 related.'
2024-07-03 18:40:55 <@smooge:fedora.im> I went through the last couple of weeks logs to see what was consuming those and the majority of the usage is in Amazon. 
2024-07-03 18:41:28 <@smooge:fedora.im> My guess is that the EL6 is AmazonOS 1 and EL7 is mainly AmazonOS-2 
2024-07-03 18:42:24 <@smooge:fedora.im> I haven't sen any large dip in usage due to the CentOS mirror servers being killed which might cause yum to stop trying to get new repo data
2024-07-03 18:43:08 <@smooge:fedora.im> Outside of Amazon, EL7 is big at Google, Microsoft and then various other cloud sites
2024-07-03 18:43:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I thought the useage numbers were usually a week behind.  I wasn't expecting to see any difference until next week, or in two more weeks.
2024-07-03 18:44:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think yum will just error on those repos, but still hit epel...
2024-07-03 18:45:18 <@smooge:fedora.im> I had not tested it myself so didn't know
2024-07-03 18:45:42 <@smooge:fedora.im> the usage numbers for EPEL7 are 2 days behind because they are daily counts
2024-07-03 18:46:10 <@smooge:fedora.im> the countme numbers which do EPEL-8, EPEL-9 are a week every Wednesday I believe
2024-07-03 18:46:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ah, ok.
2024-07-03 18:46:18 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it depends on the alphabetical order of the repo ids
2024-07-03 18:46:51 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> for centos 7 boxes, yum will crash on the base repo before it attempts the epel repo
2024-07-03 18:48:13 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> hmm, i take that back, i just tested to confirm and it does look like yum keeps going after it can't reach an individual repo
2024-07-03 18:48:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> catch update - https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-f806d7eadc
2024-07-03 18:48:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think if it's mainly Amazon Linux, they aren't going to go away like CentOS Linux machines.  I'm pretty sure Amazon is going to keep the repos around.
2024-07-03 18:50:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else for Open Floor?
2024-07-03 18:51:40 <@smooge:fedora.im> not from me
2024-07-03 18:51:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm good ending a little early.
2024-07-03 18:52:12 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> sounds good
2024-07-03 18:52:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming and the good discussions.  And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2024-07-03 18:52:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.
2024-07-03 18:52:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe
2024-07-03 18:52:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ngompa gave a cookie to tdawson. They now have 71 cookies, 7 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-07-03 18:53:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> salimma has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe
2024-07-03 18:53:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting