#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:16

!startmeeting EPEL (2024-08-14)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:17

Meeting started at 2024-08-14 18:00:16 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:17

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-08-14)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:21

!meetingname epel

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:22

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:00:26

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:27

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:27

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:36

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:00:46

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:47

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:00

Hi Jonathan Wright

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:01:12

!hi

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:01:12

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:12

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:13

Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco)

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:01:20

here

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:01:26

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:27

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:28

Hi Diego Herrera and Pablo Greco

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:37

Howdy Stephen J Smoogen

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:48

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:01:52

standing here with Neal, Davide, Michel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:15

I was wondering how many people were going to be at conferences and/or traveling.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:40

Hi Davide Cavalca Michel Lind 🎩 and Conan Kudo

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:03:10

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:24

Morning nirik

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:03:38

howdy y'all

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:03:40

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:03:41

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:04:55

hope everyone made it back ok

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:01

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:08

!link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:34

From what I heard, people had a much better time getting home from Flock than they did getting there.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:41

We only have one issue tagged meeting, and I know we talked about it before.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:03

!epel 284

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:04

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:04

**epel #284** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/284):**Proposing incompatible upgrade of Zeek to the latest LTS version**

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:04

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:04

● **Last Updated:** a week ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:04

● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by salimma

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:55

If I remember right, we timeboxed the discussion, because people couldn't decide if they wanted to just update the one package, or do versioned packages.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:20

Did we want to continue the discussion? Was there a solution since we last talked? Or wait until next week?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:08:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:08:07

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:23

Michel Lind 🎩: It's up to you. My recommendation is if we don't have a resolution at this time, to wait until next week when you are back from conferences.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:27

Hi Carl George

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:09:58

I'm guessing we should punt to next week

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:02

Since Michel Lind 🎩 is not actually on a computer to type, and at a conference, I'm going to defer this until next week.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:10:14

👍

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:14

Moving on.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:21

!topic EPEL 10

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:26

https://hackmd.io/q6TNkYjJT82EtzhlyPGpog

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:10:49

we had a great hackfest at flock, and we're up over 200 builds now

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:11:02

Very nice.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:11:17

I know there are still a few things to be done. How are we progressing on what's left?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:11:37

i submitted a bodhi tweak to temporarily disable the bugzilla comments, at least until we turn off automatic updates

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:12:57

i only traveled back home on monday, and yesterday was just trying to catch up on emails and other work stuff. so no further progress to discuss yet.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:12

Fair enough.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:13:28

also waiting on releng to free up some cycles after f41 branching to work with me on enabling a compose

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:32

One thing that I know has come up, is that some people don't know that we don't have an epel10 repo yet.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:13:36

I think I can enable sidetags pretty easily. just one line in hub config. will try that later today

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:09

I'm not wanting to put pressure on creating the repo, I'm just saying that incase others didn't know.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:14:32

i posted the status in email and discussion, so it's not hard for people to become aware

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:37

I'm game to try bodhi pushes... but not today. Perhaps tomorrow/friday if branching fires die down

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:15:05

we also need changes to ./roles/bodhi2/backend/files/new-updates-sync if we want them to sync out (which we may or may not yet?)

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:15:46

i've got a pending pr for that when we're ready, just haven't opened it yet so i don't have to rebase it over and over

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:16:21

completely fair. we can do composes until we like how they look and then enable sync...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:16:40

one mostly cosmetic thing to note:

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:16:47

i have a sneaking suspicious the composes will fail when we enable them and we'll need to adjust the pungi template

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:17:11

i would not put money against that

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:17:26

If we enable this and there's some updates going stable, we do a compose, it will send a report like those few packages are the only things in the compose... ie, there will not be notice of all the currently stable packages (but they will be in the compose/repo)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:18:06

and we will need at least one package pending stable to be able to do a push.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:18:50

funny enough, we have one stuck in pending since yesterday https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2024-304f5da16a

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:20:03

anyways, we're down in the weeds, we can return to the weeds when it's appropriate and get the meeting back on track

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:20:10

right.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:14

Fair enough.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:27

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:18

I just sent out the EPEL7 EOL announcement ... sorry for the major delay.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:01

Some people were asking, and when I looked, it wasn't there, so I figured I'd send one.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:08

Any other Old business?

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:22:26

not from me. thanks for doing that

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:23:00

I am hoping to get some time after the current ~~hell~~ project I am in to get back to doc cleanup

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:23:28

Did you want us to merge your current pull request, and then we just clean it up later at people's convenience?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:23:32

small fyi, i worked with releng to update the eol readme in mirror directories https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12232

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:35

Oh, nice. I did notice the README, I didn't know that was from you.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:57

Moving on ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:03

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:12

Do we have anything for Open Floor?

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:25:37

I have one item

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:47

Go for it

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:26:24

My time to work on general EPEL items is very very low/nil at the moment. I am finding the influx of daily bugzilla from being in the epel-packagers-sig group to be too much currently

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:26:57

I wanted to say this here before dropping out of the group for the time being

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:27:22

Stephen J Smoogen: Thank you for letting us know.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:27:37

makes sense, and of course we can add you back at any time in the future if desired

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:14

Stephen J Smoogen: You might already know this, but after you remove yourself, be sure to log out, and then back in. Or the emails will keep coming.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:29:10

this is one of those things that i wished worked more like provenpackager, but that's a can of worms for after the git forge change i think

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:29:41

oh was there anything from FLOCK on that which affects EPEL?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:29:47

we had some related discussion about this at the hackfest, and it's certainly something that needs more discussion

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:29:58

Troy Dawson: log in and out of accounts or bugzilla or both

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:14

Stephen J Smoogen: accounts

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:30:17

thanks

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:30:26

also src.fedoraproject.org

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:30:32

the presentation reminding several folks to get their user stories in. i submitted one that affects epel, per-branch collaborator access.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:30:45

the git forge presentation reminding several folks to get their user stories in. i submitted one that affects epel, per-branch collaborator access.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:31:13

https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/arc/issue/164#comment-922756

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:32:45

I don't think there was anything at the state of epel presentation that everyone here didn't already know.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:26

Is there anything else for Open Floor? Or are we ok ending early?

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:33:38

i am ok

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:33:53

Neil Hanlon may want to touch on his badge ticket since we have time

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:35:09

Neil, and Neal, are both at a conference. Although he's logged in, I'm not positive of how much he'll be able to contribute.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:35:30

the issue is https://pagure.io/epel/issue/289 if anyone wants to leave feedback

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:35:58

yeah, it would be good if folks looked and put their comments in :)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:35:59

thank you!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:36:43

I really like the badge ideas he's brought up. I'd love for more EPEL badges.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:36:57

i would like to hear some opinions on a related thing, the steering committee badge

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:36:57

agreed

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:37:13

!link https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/829

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:37:41

289 and 829... whoa

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:38:06

since that one seems to have stalled out on the artwork, is anyone opposed to pivoting on the artwork to something more simple? specifically i think it could work to duplicate the fesco badge, we just need to come up with a clever latin phrase.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:38:31

what is 'its always something' in Latin?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:33

I'm good with whatever get's it done.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:55

I love it.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:39:13

the designer of the fesco badge is on my team, so i think i can get her help on it

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:39:29

semper quid?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:39:29

this one https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/the-last-argument-of-kings

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:51

Semper est aliquid ?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:40:18

enterprise in latin is inceptum, which sounds cool, just need a phrase around it

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:41:28

et semper aliquid in coeptis

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:41:41

ah, a fellow google translator

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:42:11

not sure why enterprise is sometimes inceptum and sometimes coeptis, we need a person who actually knows a little latin

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:42:32

whats "it's always dns" in latin?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:42:36

yeah... I don't fully trust google translate

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:43:53

Extra sarcina Inceptum Linux

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:44:12

i guess the english word enterprise as we use it now wasn't really a concept when latin was relevant

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:44:33

corporation?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:44:39

that may not be a worthwhile path, either way i'm with troy, whatever gets the badge over the finish line

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:44:41

anywy I need to head out. good luck

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:45:03

Later smooge!

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:45:13

i put the bug in smooge's mind, he'll come back with something hilarious

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:28

Are we ok closing the meeting?

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:45:39

just one last thing

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:44

additicius sarcina Inceptum Linux

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:54

Diego Herrera: Go for it

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:46:06

Oh.. Thanks for the mock config Diego Herrera

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:46:15

I noticed that the willit workflow thingie wasn't running cos we retired both epel7 and epel8-next, I was just patching that :)

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:46:49

np 👍️, I'm happy that it was useful :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:39

Diego Herrera: Thank you for keeping on top of that.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:57

It should go faster with those two parts gone also.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:49:11

Will it still be here - https://dherrerace.github.io/willit-workflow/

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:50:45

I want to also make it so that it publishes to another repo so that it doesn't polute the worklfow repo history, so I'll send a link on #epel when it's ready ^^

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:51:08

Sounds good. And thanks again for that.

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:51:19

that's all from me :D

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:51:32

Anything else before we close?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:52:09

nothing from me

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:52:21

Thank you all for the good discussion. It was great seeing many of you last week.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:52:33

And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:52:40

I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:52:49

bye everybody

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:53:00

Thanks Troy! Nice seeing you too.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:53:02

thanks Troy Dawson

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:53:04

bye guys!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:53:06

!endmeeting