#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:19

!startmeeting EPEL (2025-11-19)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:22

Meeting started at 2025-11-19 18:00:19 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:22

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-11-19)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:28

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:28

!meetingname epel

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:29

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:00:45

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:46

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:30

Hi Diego Herrera

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:01:39

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:47

Morning nirik

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:03:17

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:03:18

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:25

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:03:49

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:03:50

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:01

Hi Carl George

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:21

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:21

!link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:21

!link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/docs/pulls

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:39

If you opened the link a few minutes ago, you might have seen that #351 was marked with meeting. But last week we decided to take that label off an just bring it up in Old Business when there is progress ... and I forgot to take the label off until right now.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:01

So in short ... we don't have anything marked with meeting this week.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:29

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:45

Does anyone have any Old Business they would like to bring up?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:16

i've got a small update on the stalled topic

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:56

I'll give it another minute incase some people are typing slow.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:10:11

i took too long to adjust my pr for feedback to the fesco stalled process, so zbyszek just went ahead and made the change. the fesco process is now filing a single ticket with releng, and it just needs a single +1 comment from a fesco member (instead of a full fesco vote in a fesco ticket).

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:12

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:10:19

!link https://pagure.io/fesco/fesco-docs/pull-request/114

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:11:39

the only old business I have is I remembered we had a meeting now

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:11:48

Oh wow, that is a major change.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:30

Stephen J Smoogen: Always glad you can make it off your porch rocking chair to make it here. :)

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:12:42

its apple sauce time

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:12:43

!hi

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:12:43

seems like matrix is laggy today

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:12:45

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:55

Hi Michel Lind UTC

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:03

Carl George: Ya, it happens sometimes.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:13:34

i'll throw an update comment in epel#347 for posterity about that fesco adjustment

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:14:09

still looking for a candidate to use the fesco process on, hopefully once i do and demonstrate it works well enough we can discuss if the separate epel policy still is necessary

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:03

So ... it still says that someone on FESCO must approve it, and while it's much better than before, it still feels odd for EPEL packages.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:16:08

i think the high level difference is full commit access versus commit only on `epel*`

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:16:36

Ah, very good point.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:16:37

how do we capture that nuance in a way that both steering committees are happy with

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:17:12

maybe what we could do is further tweak the fesco process to say exactly that, if you want only `epel*` access no fesco ack is necessary

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:17:36

any fesco folks here have a gut reaction to that idea?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:19:08

perhaps it could be a EPSCo member for epel?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:19:46

but really at this point I don't feel too strongly about it... if it causes problems we can always adjust things, so perhaps no ack needed for epel?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:20:04

that would align with the fesco side, but is more approval than necessary today

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:20:46

i don't feel too strongly about the specifics of the policy tbh, the part i feel strongly about is having a unified policy instead of having to refer folks to two separate places

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:21:50

either way, we don't have to solve it now, i think everyone wants to see the process get used as-is before we make further adjustments. we can move on to other topics.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:14

Thank you for bringing that up and showing the progress that has been made.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:29

Is there anything else for Old Business or Open Floor?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:49

I have one thing for open floor if nobody else has anything.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:16

Next week is the day before US Thanksgiving ... and many people use that as a travel or prep day. Will we have enough people here next week to make the meeting worth having?

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:24:56

I'll probably be out, but tbd

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:25:45

i'm on pto next week and will be traveling

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:26:08

I may or may not be here, based on the weather.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:26:24

sounds like a cancel to me

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:26:45

Yep. Does anyone have any reasons they would want it ?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:27:29

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:27:31

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:32

oh i was supposed to mention, robby told me he couldn't make it this week or next

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:27:44

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:27:50

heya Troy, folks

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:00

Well, that is one more person who will not make it next week.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:28:30

I'll be here, physically -- but don't think we necessarily need one

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:32

Yep, I think that is a cancel for next week. Even if we wanted to vote on something, it wouldn't have a quorum.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:28:41

mentally I think we can all agree I've never been all there

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:28:52

😈

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:26

Neil Hanlon: You can join Stephen J Smoogen on a rocking chair in the sunlight.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:29:47

yes please

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:29:59

i have one more open floor thing, a status update and recap of the epel 10.0 retirement

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:14

Carl George: Sounds good. Go for it.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:32:02

the main retirement ticket is https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues/59, and that has a recap of what has been completed. tldr, no more epel10.0 builds, but it's still on the mirrors. we're gonna follow fedora's example and leave it there for two weeks, then move it to the archive. it should still be available for requests for epel-z-10.0 from mirrormanager, it's just a matter of whether it's served from the main pool of mirrors or only the mirrors with archive content.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:32:34

however, we had a side effect of epel10.1 ppc64le builds starting to fail, see https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues/67

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:33:00

that has a workaround in place so builds work currently, and the long term fix is in progress https://issues.redhat.com/browse/RHEL-128741

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:33:18

i think that covers everything folks here should be aware of

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:35

Thank you

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:49

Especially thank you for tracking down the PPC64le issue.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:29

it was a bear, and i still don't know why it only manifested on one arch for us. someone else was able to repro on x86_64 via imagebuilder, so who knows

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:50

thankfully the fix was a really small change

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:34:58

Yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:37:03

Does anyone else have anything they want to bring up before we close the meeting?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:37:20

I'll wait several minutes, since Matrix seems to be laggy today for some people.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:15

Sounds like we're done for today.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:35

Thank you all for coming. And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:54

I'll talk to ya'll in two weeks. For those of you traveling, I hope you travel safely.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:40:25

!endmeeting