19:49:56 <ascenseur> #startmeeting
19:49:56 <MooDoo> well we can try it, then how about we shedule a meeting properly give people notice so they can come a long, i wouldn't mind having a monthly meeting :D
19:49:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 25 19:49:56 2010 UTC.  The chair is ascenseur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:50:11 <ascenseur> #topic UK EventBox Meeting Test
19:50:15 <bruce89> hello
19:50:20 <MooDoo> hi
19:50:33 <ascenseur> hey bruce89 - we're just testing the MeetBot for the UK Event  Box
19:50:37 <ascenseur> do feel free to chip in :)
19:50:39 <bruce89> so I see
19:50:57 <bruce89> hence my saying hello to the insomniacs who read logs
19:51:08 <MooDoo> what have we got so far ascenseur perhaps you can fill people in?
19:51:10 <ascenseur> Ok, so we are thinking about creating a UK EventBox as MooDoo knows
19:51:17 <ascenseur> Ok, let me put up the link
19:51:39 <ascenseur> #link https://fedoraproject.org/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox
19:51:54 <ascenseur> First off, the USB keys
19:52:10 <ascenseur> #idea USB Keys
19:52:16 <MooDoo> that the right link ascenseur ?
19:52:37 <ascenseur> argh! thanks for that moodoo :)
19:52:43 <ascenseur> new link
19:53:08 <ascenseur> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox
19:53:14 <ascenseur> ok, back to the USB keys
19:53:45 <ascenseur> I have spoken to Lousie at PrimoIT, and they have the best quality and value USB keys - They sent me a sample and it has survived quite well in my "school testing"
19:54:08 <MooDoo> !
19:54:25 <ascenseur> Go ahead MooDoo :)
19:55:08 <MooDoo> i notice from the wiki page you're on about selling them, shouldn't they be giveaway?  i know the initial cost, so it might pay to find out the process of claiming back from emea funding?
19:55:43 <ascenseur> That is a good point
19:55:58 <MooDoo> i think what we've got to aim for is everything is giveaway...
19:56:16 <ascenseur> #action USB keys - find out about funding from EMEA
19:56:30 <ascenseur> the link from PrimoIT is:
19:56:39 <MooDoo> speak to inode0 or someone like that
19:56:39 <ascenseur> #link http://www.usbownlogo.co.uk
19:56:54 <ascenseur> #action speak to inode0 about funding
19:57:23 <MooDoo> another action is licensing for logos on items etc
19:57:33 <MooDoo> sorry i'm sounding like a pain :D
19:57:44 <ascenseur> MooDoo: I shall have to speak to the logo dept. about that
19:58:00 <ascenseur> #action speak to logo dept. about licensing for items etc.
19:58:17 <ascenseur> Is it ok to move on MooDoo?
19:58:30 <MooDoo> ascenseur: yes sorry about that, you're chair :D
19:58:48 <ascenseur> thats fine - You're much more experienced than me - this is my first meeting!
19:58:52 <ascenseur> anyway, moving on
19:59:11 <ascenseur> #topic shipping case
19:59:31 <ascenseur> We need something to carry all this stuff around in - I was looking at this from maplin
19:59:44 <ascenseur> #link http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=228650
20:01:06 <ascenseur> we also need to secure it - padlock seems an idea
20:01:30 <MooDoo> !
20:01:36 <ascenseur> Go Ahead MooDoo :)
20:02:08 <MooDoo> i was only thinking about something like this - http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Plastic-Storage/Storage-Box-And-Lid-Clear-80ltr/invt/0239167?htxt=Vc02TdoxD4%2BtpwsWlztIXP6Ua143hY1l%2BFLPXLE3H%2BC0%2FJr0dBa86IHIZ2Uj6ZBJHWJ%2FI%2BnUP4ff%0AIrdbXBjF2A%3D%3D does it really need to be lockable?
20:02:49 <ascenseur> #link http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Plastic-Storage/Storage-Box-And-Lid-Clear-80ltr/invt/0239167?htxt=Vc02TdoxD4%2BtpwsWlztIXP6Ua143hY1l%2BFLPXLE3H%2BC0%2FJr0dBa86IHIZ2Uj6ZBJHWJ%2FI%2BnUP4ff%0AIrdbXBjF2A%3D%3D
20:03:01 <ascenseur> that does seem a good idea - it doesnt need to be lockable, it was just a thought
20:03:14 <ascenseur> #action investigate about wilko box
20:03:29 <ascenseur> and it is massive
20:03:36 <ascenseur> thanks for that MooDoo :)
20:03:41 <MooDoo> i'm thinking that box as it's cheaper and to be honest at events will be monitored at all times?
20:04:00 <ascenseur> definatley - and its great value-for-money
20:04:14 <ascenseur> #idea suggest the wilko box to other ambassadors to see their thoughts
20:04:42 <ascenseur> Is there anything else you want to say about this topic MooDoo?
20:05:09 <LinuxCode> you guys still babbling on ?
20:05:22 <ascenseur> sure am LinuxCode :)
20:05:23 <LinuxCode> is there no peace and quiet ?
20:05:26 <LinuxCode> haha
20:05:26 <MooDoo> LinuxCode: we're in a meeting about a possible uk event box :D
20:05:40 <LinuxCode> ahh well, I will try and keep a uqarter eye on here then
20:05:46 <ascenseur> thanks LinuxCode
20:05:56 <ascenseur> hey Southern_Gentlem - welcome to the meeting
20:06:02 <Southern_Gentlem> what box do you have in mind
20:06:03 <MooDoo> no it's ok, we're just testing the meetbot and just having a general chin wag!
20:06:21 <MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: just a plasting one to be honest but as ever welcome to suggestions
20:06:27 <MooDoo> plastic
20:06:37 <MooDoo> we've never done this before :D
20:06:39 <Southern_Gentlem> like a pelican??
20:06:55 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: more like a childrens toy container, but 80lts of it
20:07:05 <MooDoo> http://bit.ly/bEuxhU
20:07:18 <MooDoo> something like that
20:07:29 <ascenseur> yup MooDoo :)
20:07:45 <ascenseur> Is everyone ok with moving on?
20:07:55 <Southern_Gentlem> ok but i think you will quickly outgrow that
20:08:05 <Southern_Gentlem> i can hope
20:08:12 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: we did mark it open to suggestions :)
20:08:25 <MooDoo> me to but we're just starting out and as there is no events in the uk at the moment, it's a good small start
20:08:56 <MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: how does yours work with regards shipping it around the us?
20:08:58 <ascenseur> definatley MooDoo
20:09:04 <LinuxCode> MooDoo, that box is way too small
20:09:12 <ascenseur> MooDoo - can I keep that as another topic? thanks :)
20:09:20 <Southern_Gentlem> MooDoo,  its shipping approved
20:09:20 <MooDoo> sorry ascenseur :)
20:09:22 <LinuxCode> think of switches, power extension cables
20:09:30 <Southern_Gentlem> http://www.pelican-case.com/1610.html?gclid=CKbLo8SljqACFQk65QodZ270eg
20:09:34 <ascenseur> LinuxCode - that is already thought of - another topic
20:09:37 <LinuxCode> media alone would fill that box
20:09:45 <Southern_Gentlem> thats the one we have and it is actually too small
20:09:50 <MooDoo> wow
20:10:03 <MooDoo> ascenseur: looks like we're thinking way to small here :D
20:10:11 <ascenseur> that is remarkably small that pelican one
20:10:14 <Southern_Gentlem> event box and media should be considered different items
20:10:17 <LinuxCode> Southern_Gentlem, yeh looks a tad tiny
20:10:23 <ascenseur> #action work out the size needed for the box
20:10:31 <Southern_Gentlem> its bigger than that pic looks
20:10:36 <LinuxCode> the amount of stuff Joerg drives around is nuts
20:10:49 <ascenseur> Moving On!
20:10:54 <MooDoo> hehe glad i've a people carrier then :)
20:10:54 <Southern_Gentlem> without foam
20:11:00 <MooDoo> ok ascenseur :)
20:11:08 <ascenseur> Unless you guessed, im working down the list on my wiki page :)
20:11:11 <ascenseur> ok, next topic
20:11:20 <ascenseur> #topic Netbook/Laptop/SFF PC
20:11:50 <ascenseur> It seems essential to have a computer at these events - now, I may be able to supply an Aleutia T1 for this use
20:12:05 <ascenseur> #link http://www.aleutia.com/products/t1
20:12:06 <LinuxCode> ascenseur, dell Uk lent us some
20:12:10 <MooDoo> i've also got my laptop
20:12:14 <LinuxCode> 3
20:12:19 <LinuxCode> dell laptops
20:12:24 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: lent permanently or or loan?
20:12:25 <LinuxCode> I always dragged them home
20:12:28 <LinuxCode> loaned
20:12:39 <LinuxCode> Max sent them via Red Hat Germany back
20:12:48 <LinuxCode> as I was staying in Germany for another 3 weeks
20:12:49 <ascenseur> yes, but if the T1 is permanently for the box, it makes it easier
20:12:54 <LinuxCode> or I would have taken them
20:13:01 <ascenseur> and the t1 is smaller than a paperback
20:13:09 <LinuxCode> ascenseur, just saying
20:13:26 * ascenseur politely reminds LinuxCode to use <!> to keep things organised :)
20:13:30 <LinuxCode> Dell was forthcoming before, so maybe they would be willing again
20:13:35 <ascenseur> definatley recognised LinuxCode
20:13:41 <ascenseur> #idea Dell UK loans?
20:14:29 <ascenseur> MooDoo knows about the laptops my school may be selling
20:14:44 <ascenseur> but, this now seems a bad idea, as they are bulky, old and fugly
20:14:58 <MooDoo> as long as they run fedora they should be fine?
20:15:12 <ascenseur> I will still investigate, as it could be a cheap laptop - an yes, they would run fedora fine MooDoo :)
20:15:21 <ascenseur> #idea laptops from school - investiagte!
20:15:30 <DiscordianUK> What spec are they?
20:15:50 <ascenseur> DiscordianUK: erm, they are from ~2005, so not extravagant, but not awfule asier
20:15:52 <DiscordianUK> Bear in mind that F13 will have higher requirements than F12
20:15:56 <MooDoo> !
20:15:57 <ascenseur> s/easier/either
20:16:02 <ascenseur> GA MooDoo :)
20:16:32 <MooDoo> ascenseur: can i make a suggestion for you to contact max to see what he can or isable to provide to help us out?
20:16:43 <ascenseur> thank you MooDoo :)
20:16:43 <MooDoo> or put that as an action point?
20:16:52 <Southern_Gentlem> ascenseur,  max proable can get you an OLPC as well
20:17:07 <ascenseur> #action investigate with max or isable about support/OLPC
20:17:34 <ascenseur> Anyone else got any more comments on the laptop topic?
20:18:33 <ascenseur> Ok, moving on! :D
20:18:43 * Southern_Gentlem highly suggest pelican 1610 box or a Pelican Protector™ 1780
20:19:01 <LinuxCode> could speak to the sugar folks about OLPCs
20:19:14 <LinuxCode> there were 4 of them making the rounds
20:19:15 <Southern_Gentlem> LinuxCode,  max can proable get you a OLPC
20:19:17 <ascenseur> couple of topics late Southern_Gentlem, but I shall add it :)
20:19:32 <LinuxCode> Southern_Gentlem, we already have a number in Europe
20:19:42 <LinuxCode> just have to ask hehe
20:19:53 <ascenseur> #idea Pelican boxes
20:20:01 <LinuxCode> I think there ws one in the EU event box anyway
20:20:04 <ascenseur> #idea talk to sugar folks about OLPC
20:20:12 <ascenseur> ok then, next topic
20:20:17 <ascenseur> #topic Swag
20:20:42 <ascenseur> It seems essential to get fedora swag - the EMEA-Swag-Tracker is being used for this
20:20:51 <ascenseur> however, as mentioned above, we need USB keys
20:21:16 <Southern_Gentlem> or atleast a way for others to program their keys
20:21:24 <LinuxCode> yeh
20:21:32 <LinuxCode> would be better budget wise too
20:21:38 <LinuxCode> spend more dosh on other stuff
20:21:42 <LinuxCode> like media
20:21:46 <Southern_Gentlem> we have foound in the US that usbkeys are way tooo expensive
20:21:47 * ascenseur politely asks LinuxCode and Southern_Gentlem to use <!> when wanting to speak
20:21:47 <LinuxCode> stickers...
20:21:52 <MooDoo> LinuxCode: we've got that covered with the usb booth station
20:22:09 <ascenseur> yes, as MooDoo said, there is a USB booth being planned, but thats another topic
20:22:37 <ascenseur> ok - I think MooDoo said that it would be better to give them away rather than sell them
20:22:46 <ascenseur> Now, this would require funding
20:22:51 <ascenseur> #idea funding for USB keys
20:23:09 <ascenseur> the rest has been covered above about USB keys :)
20:23:27 <ascenseur> More swag - t-shirts and stickers etc
20:23:46 <ascenseur> I was going to enquire at the 2 local creative deisgn companies near me about printing them
20:24:04 <ascenseur> however, the logo will need permission from the logo dept, but that is another topic :)
20:24:19 <ascenseur> that was probably pointless to mention, so I'll move on unless anyone else has some ideas
20:25:07 <Southern_Gentlem> ascenseur,  sorry but you need to slow down and let people think and respond
20:25:17 <LinuxCode> we need an event first
20:25:19 <LinuxCode> ;-p
20:25:21 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: I am pausing :)
20:25:47 <ascenseur> It was only this, as I have just found out that i covered all things in this topic without realising, so its useless
20:26:02 <MooDoo> LinuxCode: there isn't any at the moment, the only one i'm attending in may is oggcamp but that's not really a foss event
20:26:30 <LinuxCode> tbh, we could relly do with a FAD
20:26:46 <LinuxCode> I mean Gerold means well, but that it is always in Rheinfelden, kinda sucks
20:27:00 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: FAD/FUDcon ?
20:27:03 <LinuxCode> there shouldm be more country specific ones
20:27:05 <LinuxCode> FAD
20:27:12 <Southern_Gentlem> Fedora Activity Day
20:27:19 <LinuxCode> FUDcon was in Berlin last year
20:27:29 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: ah :)
20:27:36 <MooDoo> ascenseur: fudcon = fedora users and developers conference
20:27:38 <ascenseur> #idea what about a FAD for the UK?
20:27:55 <ascenseur> MooDoo - yup :) i think the terms got inter-mingled earlier!
20:28:05 <MooDoo> ascenseur: that opens a whole new can of worms, location etc just for a start :D
20:28:16 <LinuxCode> I should go begging at my local Unis
20:28:32 <Southern_Gentlem> ascenseur,  a UK fad just to organize the UK ambassador would be a good start
20:28:38 <ascenseur> :D I can do it at my school LinuxCode :)
20:28:40 <LinuxCode> all of the halls of residence are empty during the summer
20:28:53 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: good idea
20:29:05 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: my whole school is empty in Summer :P
20:29:17 <LinuxCode> ascenseur, Im thinking more of a FUDcon level atm
20:29:26 <MooDoo> ie big :D
20:29:30 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: i shall note that
20:29:31 <LinuxCode> 200 people with accommodation
20:29:46 <ascenseur> #idea FUDcon at a massive uni
20:29:59 <LinuxCode> I dont see why they would say no, as we had IPICS here year before last
20:30:08 <ascenseur> thanks for that LinuxCode :)
20:30:10 <Southern_Gentlem> well accomoations maybe lunch as an example
20:30:29 <ascenseur> May be some expense, but it is definatley an idea :)
20:30:50 <LinuxCode> Southern_Gentlem, be nice if Red Hat would agree funding for travel, if accommodation was given
20:30:57 <LinuxCode> but would have to see
20:31:03 <ascenseur> definatley :)
20:31:07 <ascenseur> ok to move on?
20:31:12 <Southern_Gentlem> is all UK ambassadors on the Ambassadors map
20:31:16 <LinuxCode> yep
20:31:19 <LinuxCode> Southern_Gentlem, no
20:31:21 <LinuxCode> I am not
20:31:28 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: should be, perhaps not me...
20:31:42 <Southern_Gentlem> get everyone on the map as see if you can find a central point
20:31:46 <MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: i emailed them all that was on the list and got about 3 replys, might be a time for a cull :)
20:31:52 <LinuxCode> Southern_Gentlem, good point
20:32:04 <LinuxCode> MooDoo, I had a message from Robert
20:32:11 <LinuxCode> not from you
20:32:18 <ascenseur> ok then, thanks everyone :) | next topic: USB Creator Stand
20:32:21 <LinuxCode> or did you email the Uk ambassadors ?
20:32:27 <ascenseur> #topic USB Creator Stand
20:32:28 <MooDoo> yes just the uk ones
20:32:30 <LinuxCode> k
20:32:36 <LinuxCode> that explains
20:33:07 <ascenseur> Ok, so we decided to create a USB LIve Creator stand like they have for France/Belgium - Now, its pretty basic, but some things can be found here
20:33:17 <Southern_Gentlem> !
20:33:18 <ascenseur> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox/USBcreator
20:33:26 <ascenseur> Go Ahead Southern_Gentlem  :D
20:33:29 <Southern_Gentlem> why
20:33:55 <Southern_Gentlem> is this needed as one of the first things
20:33:57 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: it is because it provides an aesthetically pleasing interface to the public for fedora live usb's
20:34:15 <Southern_Gentlem> that is suppose be you guys working the booth
20:34:30 <ascenseur> also, the fact that it is near enough nil-cost for me to create - so if it draws people in because they are intrigued as to what it is, that is good
20:34:31 <MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: from what ascenseur is telling me it's easy to knock up straight away
20:34:44 <Southern_Gentlem> ok
20:34:58 <ascenseur> Southern_Gentlem: yes, MooDoo is correct - but this connects to a laptop via a USB cable so that it is just like a massive extension cable
20:35:19 <ascenseur> it also allows you to position the stand near the edge of a table, so the public can plug the key in themselves
20:35:28 <LinuxCode> the commercial versions are a bit more complicated
20:35:39 <LinuxCode> but to do just a few its fine, I guess
20:35:52 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: also, it can have additional USB receptacles added at any time
20:35:59 <LinuxCode> hmm
20:36:05 <LinuxCode> you tested this ?
20:36:13 <ascenseur> here is a draft - http://ascenseur.fedorapeople.org/fedora_usb.odg
20:36:19 * LinuxCode looks
20:36:20 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: how do you mean?
20:36:30 <MooDoo> LinuxCode: i don't think it's built yes, just a concept
20:36:33 <ascenseur> disregard the LED - IT is no longer needed
20:36:48 <ascenseur> #action knock up another draft, this time a little better
20:36:54 <LinuxCode> well you cant just use a hub
20:37:05 <LinuxCode> to flash 5 sticks with the same image
20:37:16 <ascenseur> LinuxCode: it is not a hub - it's a neutrik USB-W recpetacle
20:37:23 <MooDoo> LinuxCode: just one stick at a time
20:37:26 <ascenseur> google it :P
20:37:43 <ascenseur> *is finding a link
20:37:55 <LinuxCode> ok, one ata  time
20:37:57 <LinuxCode> fine
20:38:04 <ascenseur> #link http://www.neutrik.com/uk/en/dataconnectors/210_t2_619292854/NAUSB-W_detail.aspx
20:38:17 <LinuxCode> ascenseur, found it thank you
20:38:44 <ascenseur> LinuxCode - ah, ok :) just put up a link for everyone else :)
20:39:23 <ascenseur> ok, this thing has gone on for quite a while, so lets wrap up with the last topic
20:40:00 <ascenseur> #topic Sundries & Shipping the box
20:40:26 <ascenseur> Ok, we will need a few sundries such as Data Cables, Notebooks, pens and extension leads
20:40:33 <MooDoo> !
20:40:42 <ascenseur> Go Ahead MooDoo :)
20:41:45 <MooDoo> i think all these can be sourced on the fly, no need to order anything i've got loads
20:41:55 <ascenseur> thats fine - I was just outlining everything :)
20:42:14 <ascenseur> We will need a Wired Router
20:42:21 <ascenseur> now, I was looking at this one from amazon
20:42:33 <ascenseur> #link http://www.amazon.co.uk/GetNet-GS-118P-100Mbps-Ethernet-Switch/dp/B002TA4AEQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1266961071&sr=1-1
20:43:00 <ascenseur> please, do suggest as we go along now :)
20:43:53 <ascenseur> and if we do ever need to ship it via UPS, we will include postage details (i.e. UPS barcode) on a laminated piece of card
20:44:02 <ascenseur> ok, that seems to cover just about everything
20:44:06 <ascenseur> any suggestions anyone?
20:44:17 <MooDoo> i'll think about stuff as well
20:44:36 <ascenseur> of course MooDoo :) We shall do another one of these another night
20:45:02 <MooDoo> ok ascenseur end the meeting for now
20:45:06 <ascenseur> ok then
20:45:09 <ascenseur> thanks eeryone! :)
20:45:13 <ascenseur> #endmeeting