<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:00:23
!startmeeting FESCO (2024-10-15)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:25
Meeting started at 2024-10-15 17:00:23 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:25
The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2024-10-15)'
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:00:30
!meetingname fesco
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:31
The Meeting Name is now fesco
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:00:40
!info Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:00:45
!topic Init Process
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:00:50
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:52
Josh Stone (jistone) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:00:55
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:57
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:00:58
morning
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:01:04
!hi
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:01:05
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:01:06
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:01:06
Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:01:31
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:01:34
Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:01:35
I think that's the fastest we've hit quorum in a while :)
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:01:48
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:01:49
David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:02:20
One or two controversial topics will do wonders!
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:02:24
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:26
Jiří Konečný (jkonecny)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:02:54
I think the schedule question should be fairly quick, so I'm going to cover that one first and then we'll dive into Anaconda.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:04:25
!fesco 3281
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:04:25
!topic #3281 Fedora 41 Schedule has only two days between Final Freeze and Go/No-Go
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:04:44
!fesco 3281
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:45
● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:45
● **Assignee:** sgallagh
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:45
**fesco #3281** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3281):**Fedora 41 Schedule has only two days between Final Freeze and Go/No-Go**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:45
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:04:45
● **Opened:** 2 hours ago by sgallagh
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:05:23
tl;dr: The schedule moved everything out by a week due to the mass-rebuild conflicting with Flock, but it only moved things out up to Final Freeze
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:05:43
Which leaves us with technically only two days of Freeze before the first Go/No-Go
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:05:49
I'm fine changing it as suggested, except... I don't think we should release on nov 5th...
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:06:03
Our earlier intention was clearly to delay everything
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:06:06
I *think* the original intention was that we should shorten the F42 cycle by a week at the front instead.
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:06:31
in effect, yes
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:06:40
ping Aoife Moloney
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:06:57
nirik: What's the issue around Nov. 5th?
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:07:10
US election day?
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:07:16
remember remember
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:07:30
yeah, that
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:07:38
Ah, yeah. That's likely to steal our thunder.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:07:51
no one will notice a fedora release, we will get no buzz/interest
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:08:12
For US users, that may be true.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:08:29
But I suspect that will also be dominating the headlines in the US for at least two weeks on either side of Nov. 5th so...
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:09:20
Yeah, I think this doesn't really conflict with the release. The polls will only be published late evening, so we can do the release during the day.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:09:42
well, it's likely to be a lot more intense on the day... but if no one else thinks it would be bad, ok...
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:10:05
as long as the folk who actually turn the release cranks are ok
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:10:13
as long as the folks who actually turn the release cranks are ok
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:10:28
I'll defer to the opinion of the folks in US.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:09
I would rather not
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:19
please let's not be releasing during election week
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:50
both local and international press just basically hyperfocuses on it
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:11:51
I propose that we accept the scheduled proposal as-is, but we can make a "game day decision" on the Go/No-Go if Nov. 5th makes sense or if we should delay the actual release.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:12:00
if we _can_ release earlier, that'd be great
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:12:02
I agree here. I'm not sure I'm going to be working on the 5th or not. Not that I'm needed for a release, but I likely won't be paying attention to the release
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:12:18
(meaning, we could freeze the release and just not announce it on Nov. 5th, if that's how things work out)
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:12:23
"my party lost, but at least there's a new Fedora!"
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:12:23
"my party won, AND there's a new Fedora!"
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:12:34
if only that's how it'd work out :P
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:13:17
I'd just prefer to skip releasing on that week... but whats the consensus / vote?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:13:43
So if we can hit the early target of the 28th, no one is worried that will get overshadowed by the news leading up to the election either?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:13:58
Or a week later getting overshadowed by possible fallout?
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:14:34
Well, we can't really delay everything by a month to avoid the election altogether. I think skipping a release on the election day is reasonable, but more than that is not.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:15:06
What if we just decided to release on the 6th instead?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:15:07
yeah.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:15:11
(Assuming it's ready)
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:15:49
I think the 6th is even worse. People who wait for the result will be very tired on the 6th.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:16:07
And also that's when the press will be discussing the result all day…
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:16:07
I wouldn't worry about this
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:16:14
it's really the day itself and the weeks after
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:16:18
(The point I'm trying to lead to is "there's no good choice, so what's least bad?")
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:16:50
Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Move Target #1 to 12th November, and Target #2 to 19th November.
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:16:53
I think before is less noisy for PR, if we can do it, but that's tight
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:18:23
zbyszek: I'm not sure I want an extra week of Freeze if we don't hit the Early Target. I'd prefer that we still keep the Go/No-Go on Halloween and, if it's go, delay the actual release machinery.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:31
zbyszek +1
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:18:48
There will be too much temptation to get "just one more thing landed".
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:19:09
OK, so please reword the proposal.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:19:30
sure, although there's almost surely going to be people who do ask for that...
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:19:44
why should we delay the go/no-go?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:19:47
or find blockers after
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:19
if we are go on the 31st, and releasing on the 12th... there WILL be people who want to do more composes/fix more things.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:20:24
Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings until we are declared Go, then freeze the deliverable until a 12th November release announcement.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:20:53
let me ask this: why should we cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:20:55
Well, 12th or later, I meant to say
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:59
I think thats not great.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:21:12
Conan Kudo: This week's? We don't have an RC
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:21:17
Conan Kudo: we have no rc and it's already tuesday? ;)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:21:21
And pretty much *can't* with the time we have.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:21:30
oh welp
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:21:51
Actually, I think we even have an official policy on that; no RC by Tuesday auto-cancels the Go/No-Go. Am I remembering right?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:21:57
I thought composes were working 😅
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:22:04
Stephen Gallagher: yes usually
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:22:07
Conan Kudo: Nightly composes, sure. Not RCs.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:22:27
Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the week of nov 4th.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:22:43
+1
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:23:06
nirik: I'm not sure how to parse that, since Nov. 4th is a Monday.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:23:54
sorry, I meant the one on oct 31st.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:23:54
The week starts on Monday and goes all the way until Sunday?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:23:57
let me rephrase.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:24:21
Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the oct 31st one (so no release the following week).
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:24:45
Is that meaningfully different from zbyszek's proposal above?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:26:04
well, yeah, because I'm proposing we don't say 'go' on oct 31st, where that proposal could have us doing that, but not releasing the next week
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:26:46
I guess I can get on board with that.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:13
But let's try not to be too loose with the Blocker/FE approvals, yeah?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:16
so that means we'd have a meeting on the 7th then?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:27:19
I want to avoid us saying go on the 31st, doing all the release prep... then the next week having someone find some blocker bug and we then have to say 'sorry, we can't fix that, too bad, but the release hasn't happened yet, so if we didn't do all the go stuff we could have.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:21
Yes
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:27:38
OK, still +1.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:27:38
yeah
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:45
+1
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:27:45
alright sure. +1
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:27:49
+1
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:27:50
+1
<@humaton:fedora.im>
17:28:13
+1
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:28:26
!agreed Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the oct 31st one (so no release the following week). (+7, 0, -0)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:28:55
OK, let's move on. Sorry to make you wait, jkonecny (I thought that would be faster...)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:29:10
!topic #3272 Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:29:14
!fesco 3272
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
**fesco #3272** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3272):**Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
● **Assignee:** jkonecny
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by amoloney
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:29:57
So, last week we had an involved discussion here, with a very split opinion on what to do about things.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:32:28
The crux of the issue is that we couldn't reach consensus on whether the lack of queue-then-execute storage was a blocker to acceptance
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:33:18
I tried to propose a middle-ground requiring at least a simulated view that the user could approve or refuse, but that didn't gain much traction either
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:33:40
I thought this was already discussed during the last Fedora release that we should do a test day to get user feedback about that. Didn't we?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:34:00
we can do that
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:34:29
A test day is useful to verify that the functionality works as expected and is not confusing to users. I don't think it can be used to decide requirement or design questinos.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:34:31
jkonecny: We can absolutely schedule something like that, but a subject matter expert needs to design the test plan for people to use.
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:34:43
Our plan is to deliver system reinstall worrisome and then go with user testing
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:35:07
Our plan is to deliver system reinstall and then go with user testing
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:35:26
I don't understand what that means
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:36:16
One of the requirements was to cover reinstallation of the existing system by the guided workflow
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:37:04
That means the we will detect existing system and give user option to just select the system and solve the rest for them
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:37:37
"solve the rest for them" requires a considerable degree of trust from the user.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:38:03
Will this workflow include a preview of changes for the user to accept?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:38:05
There is review screen for confirmation of the changes
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:38:12
Ah, OK.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:38:20
jkonecny: What does that review screen look like?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:38:29
What information does it provide, specifically.?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:38:51
And at least from the start we will cover simple use cases only
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:40:02
The review screen is giving you a table of mount points and devices how they will look like in the resulting system
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:40:40
It's already implemented
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:40:49
Cítíš be tweaked if necessary
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:40:49
This is something for guided only? or would it also be in the advanced/choose your own?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:41:02
Could be tweaked if necessary
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:41:46
There is no advanced partitioning
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:42:21
Sorry for missing the start, I had this meeting starting at 7pm my time. I see the ticket has been resolved, thank you and I'll update the schedule to the agreed proposal
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:42:59
Proposal: Wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then have this discussion again.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:43:32
Aoife Moloney++
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:43:34
zbyszek gave a cookie to amoloney. They now have 53 cookies, 20 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:43:36
"deliver" without changes to Fedora deliverables yet?
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:44:21
i.e. is the Change to be held in limbo?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:44:33
Josh Stone: Web UI is already part of Rawhide
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:45:01
For more than a release
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:45:58
OK, but, for the sake of understanding our options, we decide not to go forward with the webui, we can always restore the installer from F41, right?
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:46:10
OK, but, for the sake of understanding our options, if we decide not to go forward with the webui, we can always restore the installer from F41, right?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:46:18
+1 to waiting
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:46:50
+1, I'm fine with waiting, just want clarity on the status quo
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:47:19
as long as there is time before the deadlines, etc.
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:47:26
zbyszek: what exactly does that mean? You mean to remove Web UI from Rawhide now?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:48:06
jkonecny: I think he wants assurance that hte GtkUI won't go away in case we need to invoke the contingency plan
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:48:25
jkonecny: I think he wants assurance that the GtkUI won't go away in case we need to invoke the contingency plan
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:48:30
Not now. But since WebUI is enabled in rawhide, for us to be able to make a choice, it must be actually possible to change that.
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:48:31
and there's the whole "Owners, do not implement this work until the FESCo vote has explicitly ended."
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:49:04
What happened on F41 branching was that after branching we removed the package from kickstart for Fedora Workstation
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:51:01
yeah, but explicitly in this case we wanted to have rawhide to test it I think...
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:51:16
The Web UI enablement is mostly just modification of kickstart
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:51:16
GTK UI can't go away anytime soon. We are replacing only the Workstation. It will take probably a few Fedora releases before we can completely switch to Web UI
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:51:16
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:52:00
And it seems fine to keep it in rawhide for now. I don't see any particular reason to remove it when it's already in. Testing would be pretty hard without some image with WebUI.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:52:16
OK, so +1 to the proposal.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:52:33
yeah, +1 here
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:52:42
OK, so voting for/against the Change will decide that kickstart. That's fine
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:52:44
zbyszek: Which proposal is this?
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:52:56
^
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:53:00
Thanks
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:53:06
Josh Stone: there is a history of it being accepted thus it is in Rawhide and then the decision was changed. I would say it is no one fault.
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:53:07
+1
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:53:35
And there were no objections of keeping it in Rawhide and for us it gives quite a benefits
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:53:35
jkonecny: Hypothetically, if it supports Workstation, would it support Silverblue?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:54:12
The latter isn't a primary citizen, so if we wanted to get real-world usage without switching the main Edition over, could we possibly use Silverblue as our canary?
<@jistone:fedora.im>
17:54:15
jkonecny: understood
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:54:37
Stephen Gallagher: Silverblue is not impacted
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:54:45
Not even spins
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:54:54
Stephen Gallagher: Silverblue isn't a live install, so it might be worse
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:55:04
there's much more functionality required for non-live install
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:55:07
OK, it was just an idea
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:55:47
+1
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:55:54
+1 from me to wait, which I think gets to +5.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:56:02
Make that +6
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:56:10
Silverblue depends on functionality which wasn't our focus yet, so SB can't be a target for F42
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:56:29
it's not a bad idea, it's just webui is underdeveloped for all the use-cases that anaconda is used
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:56:32
!agreed Wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then have this discussion again. (+6, 0, -0)
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:56:48
Hopefully GIS will also get fixed 😔
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:57:10
If not we have a backup plan but still
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:57:15
we're also going to need a firstboot implementation since outside of workstation, everyone needs that
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:57:32
there's a lot of stuff to be done to switch away from gtk UI
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:57:32
Thanks for postponing the decision
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:58:31
Honestly Timezone and user creation already exists in the code
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:58:39
So not that much is missing
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:58:55
EULA too?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:58:59
and addon examples?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
17:59:26
Who requires EULA?
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:59:30
I think we've covered what we needed to discuss in here today.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:59:50
jkonecny: OEM preloads may need it
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:00:11
!topic Open Floor
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:00:27
Kk, I through you know about someone specific
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:00:33
Oops forgot next chair
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:00:38
Kk, I thought you know about someone specific
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:00:38
!topic Next Week's Chair
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:00:39
I do :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:00:42
but I can't say
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:01:00
😀
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:01:05
Conan Kudo thanks for volunteering! ;-)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:01:16
lolwut
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:01:36
I guess I can do it next week
<@jistone:fedora.im>
18:01:57
I can if you don't really want to
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:02:01
I was joking because your "I do :)" came right after the topic change
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:02:08
ah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:02:11
I don't mind doing it next week
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:02:22
it's just before my travel day but that's fine
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:02:31
Thanks
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:02:44
!action Conan Kudo to chair the 2024-10-22 meeting
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:02:50
!topic Open Floor Redux
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:02:57
Anything for Open Floor today?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:03:33
Conan Kudo: I wonder are we taking about EULA in the Initial Setup
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:03:39
yes
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:03:58
@conan_kudo:matrix.org: I wonder, are we talking about EULA in the Initial Setup?
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:06:04
We are still in favor of dropping it honestly. Mainly because we just don't have the capacity to spend time it deserves on the project. 😔
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:06:36
And I personally think it was wrong decision to base it on Anaconda
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:06:46
it doesn't do that much, it just runs anaconda to invoke some spokes and not others
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:07:24
Is this discussion useful for FESCo or should we move it elsewhere?
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
18:07:38
move it elsewhere
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:07:42
And it breaks from time to time because of changes in Anaconda
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
18:07:45
it matters in the context of swapping to the webui
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:07:55
Sorry
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
18:08:15
no need to apologize, it's just not relevant for the fesco meeting right now
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:08:33
Anyway I have to go to brush teeth of my daughter
<@jkonecny:fedora.im>
18:08:43
Thanks and bye
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
18:08:49
take care
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
18:09:57
jkonecny++. Thanks for coming.
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:10:01
zbyszek gave a cookie to jkonecny. They now have 6 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
18:10:11
OK, I suggest we wrap this up…
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:52
Thanks folks.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
18:11:59
!endmeeting