2024-10-15 17:00:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCO (2024-10-15)
2024-10-15 17:00:25 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-10-15 17:00:23 UTC
2024-10-15 17:00:25 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2024-10-15)'
2024-10-15 17:00:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !meetingname fesco
2024-10-15 17:00:31 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2024-10-15 17:00:40 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !info Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @jistone:fedora.im, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
2024-10-15 17:00:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Init Process
2024-10-15 17:00:50 <@jistone:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:00:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Josh Stone (jistone) - he / him / his
2024-10-15 17:00:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-10-15 17:00:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-10-15 17:00:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-10-15 17:01:04 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:01:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:01:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2024-10-15 17:01:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2024-10-15 17:01:31 <@humaton:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:01:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
2024-10-15 17:01:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think that's the fastest we've hit quorum in a while :)
2024-10-15 17:01:48 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:01:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2024-10-15 17:02:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> One or two controversial topics will do wonders!
2024-10-15 17:02:24 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-15 17:02:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jiří Konečný (jkonecny)
2024-10-15 17:02:54 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think the schedule question should be fairly quick, so I'm going to cover that one first and then we'll dive into Anaconda.
2024-10-15 17:04:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !fesco 3281
2024-10-15 17:04:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic  #3281 Fedora 41 Schedule has only two days between Final Freeze and Go/No-Go
2024-10-15 17:04:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !fesco 3281
2024-10-15 17:04:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
2024-10-15 17:04:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** sgallagh
2024-10-15 17:04:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3281** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3281):**Fedora 41 Schedule has only two days between Final Freeze and Go/No-Go**
2024-10-15 17:04:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-10-15 17:04:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 hours ago by sgallagh
2024-10-15 17:05:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> tl;dr: The schedule moved everything out by a week due to the mass-rebuild conflicting with Flock, but it only moved things out up to Final Freeze
2024-10-15 17:05:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Which leaves us with technically only two days of Freeze before the first Go/No-Go
2024-10-15 17:05:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm fine changing it as suggested, except... I don't think we should release on nov 5th...
2024-10-15 17:06:03 <@jistone:fedora.im> Our earlier intention was clearly to delay everything
2024-10-15 17:06:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I *think* the original intention was that we should shorten the F42 cycle by a week at the front instead.
2024-10-15 17:06:31 <@jistone:fedora.im> in effect, yes
2024-10-15 17:06:40 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> ping Aoife Moloney 
2024-10-15 17:06:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: What's the issue around Nov. 5th?
2024-10-15 17:07:10 <@jistone:fedora.im> US election day?
2024-10-15 17:07:16 <@jistone:fedora.im> remember remember
2024-10-15 17:07:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, that
2024-10-15 17:07:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Ah, yeah. That's likely to steal our thunder.
2024-10-15 17:07:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no one will notice a fedora release, we will get no buzz/interest
2024-10-15 17:08:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> For US users, that may be true.
2024-10-15 17:08:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> But I suspect that will also be dominating the headlines in the US for at least two weeks on either side of Nov. 5th so...
2024-10-15 17:09:20 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yeah, I think this doesn't really conflict with the release. The polls will only be published late evening, so we can do the release during the day.
2024-10-15 17:09:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, it's likely to be a lot more intense on the day... but if no one else thinks it would be bad, ok...
2024-10-15 17:10:05 <@jistone:fedora.im> as long as the folk who actually turn the release cranks are ok
2024-10-15 17:10:13 <@jistone:fedora.im> as long as the folks who actually turn the release cranks are ok
2024-10-15 17:10:28 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I'll defer to the opinion of the folks in US.
2024-10-15 17:11:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would rather not
2024-10-15 17:11:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please let's not be releasing during election week
2024-10-15 17:11:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> both local and international press just basically hyperfocuses on it
2024-10-15 17:11:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I propose that we accept the scheduled proposal as-is, but we can make a "game day decision" on the Go/No-Go if Nov. 5th makes sense or if we should delay the actual release.
2024-10-15 17:12:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if we _can_ release earlier, that'd be great
2024-10-15 17:12:02 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I agree here.  I'm not sure I'm going to be working on the 5th or not.  Not that I'm needed for a release, but I likely won't be paying attention to the release
2024-10-15 17:12:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (meaning, we could freeze the release and just not announce it on Nov. 5th, if that's how things work out)
2024-10-15 17:12:23 <@jistone:fedora.im> "my party lost, but at least there's a new Fedora!"
2024-10-15 17:12:23 <@jistone:fedora.im> "my party won, AND there's a new Fedora!"
2024-10-15 17:12:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if only that's how it'd work out :P
2024-10-15 17:13:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd just prefer to skip releasing on that week... but whats the consensus / vote?
2024-10-15 17:13:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So if we can hit the early target of the 28th, no one is worried that will get overshadowed by the news leading up to the election either?
2024-10-15 17:13:58 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Or a week later getting overshadowed by possible fallout?
2024-10-15 17:14:34 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Well, we can't really delay everything by a month to avoid the election altogether. I think skipping a release on the election day is reasonable, but more than that is not.
2024-10-15 17:15:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> What if we just decided to release on the 6th instead?
2024-10-15 17:15:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah.
2024-10-15 17:15:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (Assuming it's ready)
2024-10-15 17:15:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I think the 6th is even worse. People who wait for the result will be very tired on the 6th.
2024-10-15 17:16:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> And also that's when the press will be discussing the result all day…
2024-10-15 17:16:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wouldn't worry about this
2024-10-15 17:16:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's really the day itself and the weeks after
2024-10-15 17:16:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> (The point I'm trying to lead to is "there's no good choice, so what's least bad?")
2024-10-15 17:16:50 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Move Target #1 to 12th November, and Target #2 to 19th November.
2024-10-15 17:16:53 <@jistone:fedora.im> I think before is less noisy for PR, if we can do it, but that's tight
2024-10-15 17:18:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: I'm not sure I want an extra week of Freeze if we don't hit the Early Target. I'd prefer that we still keep the Go/No-Go on Halloween and, if it's go, delay the actual release machinery.
2024-10-15 17:18:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> zbyszek +1
2024-10-15 17:18:48 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> There will be too much temptation to get "just one more thing landed".
2024-10-15 17:19:09 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so please reword the proposal.
2024-10-15 17:19:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, although there's almost surely going to be people who do ask for that...
2024-10-15 17:19:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> why should we delay the go/no-go?
2024-10-15 17:19:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or find blockers after
2024-10-15 17:20:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> if we are go on the 31st, and releasing on the 12th... there WILL be people who want to do more composes/fix more things.
2024-10-15 17:20:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings until we are declared Go, then freeze the deliverable until a 12th November release announcement.
2024-10-15 17:20:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let me ask this: why should we cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting?
2024-10-15 17:20:55 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Well, 12th or later, I meant to say
2024-10-15 17:20:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think thats not great.
2024-10-15 17:21:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: This week's? We don't have an RC
2024-10-15 17:21:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Conan Kudo: we have no rc and it's already tuesday? ;)
2024-10-15 17:21:21 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> And pretty much *can't* with the time we have.
2024-10-15 17:21:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh welp
2024-10-15 17:21:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Actually, I think we even have an official policy on that; no RC by Tuesday auto-cancels the Go/No-Go. Am I remembering right?
2024-10-15 17:21:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I thought composes were working 😅
2024-10-15 17:22:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Stephen Gallagher: yes usually
2024-10-15 17:22:07 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Nightly composes, sure. Not RCs.
2024-10-15 17:22:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the week of nov 4th.
2024-10-15 17:22:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-15 17:23:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: I'm not sure how to parse that, since Nov. 4th is a Monday.
2024-10-15 17:23:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sorry, I meant the one on oct 31st.
2024-10-15 17:23:54 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> The week starts on Monday and goes all the way until Sunday?
2024-10-15 17:23:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> let me rephrase.
2024-10-15 17:24:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Proposal: Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the oct 31st one (so no release the following week).
2024-10-15 17:24:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Is that meaningfully different from zbyszek's proposal above?
2024-10-15 17:26:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, yeah, because I'm proposing we don't say 'go' on oct 31st, where that proposal could have us doing that, but not releasing the next week
2024-10-15 17:26:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I guess I can get on board with that.
2024-10-15 17:27:13 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> But let's try not to be too loose with the Blocker/FE approvals, yeah?
2024-10-15 17:27:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so that means we'd have a meeting on the 7th then?
2024-10-15 17:27:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I want to avoid us saying go on the 31st, doing all the release prep... then the next week having someone find some blocker bug and we then have to say 'sorry, we can't fix that, too bad, but the release hasn't happened yet, so if we didn't do all the go stuff we could have.
2024-10-15 17:27:21 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yes
2024-10-15 17:27:38 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, still +1.
2024-10-15 17:27:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2024-10-15 17:27:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-15 17:27:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> alright sure. +1
2024-10-15 17:27:49 <@jistone:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-15 17:27:50 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-15 17:28:13 <@humaton:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-15 17:28:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Cancel Thursday's Go/No-Go meeting and move it one week to Thursday 24th. Move the Early Target date from 22nd October to 29th October. Continue weekly Go/No-Go meetings skipping the oct 31st one (so no release the following week). (+7, 0, -0)
2024-10-15 17:28:55 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, let's move on. Sorry to make you wait, jkonecny (I thought that would be faster...)
2024-10-15 17:29:10 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic #3272 Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning
2024-10-15 17:29:14 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !fesco 3272
2024-10-15 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3272** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3272):**Change: Anaconda Web UI partitioning**
2024-10-15 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** jkonecny
2024-10-15 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2024-10-15 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by amoloney
2024-10-15 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-10-15 17:29:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So, last week we had an involved discussion here, with a very split opinion on what to do about things.
2024-10-15 17:32:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> The crux of the issue is that we couldn't reach consensus on whether the lack of queue-then-execute storage was a blocker to acceptance
2024-10-15 17:33:18 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I tried to propose a middle-ground requiring at least a simulated view that the user could approve or refuse, but that didn't gain much traction either
2024-10-15 17:33:40 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> I thought this was already discussed during the last Fedora release that we should do a test day to get user feedback about that. Didn't we?
2024-10-15 17:34:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can do that
2024-10-15 17:34:29 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> A test day is useful to verify that the functionality works as expected and is not confusing to users. I don't think it can be used to decide requirement or design questinos.
2024-10-15 17:34:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> jkonecny: We can absolutely schedule something like that, but a subject matter expert needs to design the test plan for people to use.
2024-10-15 17:34:43 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Our plan is to deliver system reinstall worrisome and then go with user testing
2024-10-15 17:35:07 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Our plan is to deliver system reinstall and then go with user testing
2024-10-15 17:35:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I don't understand what that means
2024-10-15 17:36:16 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> One of the requirements was to cover reinstallation of the existing system by the guided workflow
2024-10-15 17:37:04 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> That means the we will detect existing system and give user option to just select the system and solve the rest for them
2024-10-15 17:37:37 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> "solve the rest for them" requires a considerable degree of trust from the user.
2024-10-15 17:38:03 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Will this workflow include a preview of changes for the user to accept?
2024-10-15 17:38:05 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> There is review screen for confirmation of the changes
2024-10-15 17:38:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ah, OK.
2024-10-15 17:38:20 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> jkonecny: What does that review screen look like?
2024-10-15 17:38:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> What information does it provide, specifically.?
2024-10-15 17:38:51 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> And at least from the start we will cover simple use cases only
2024-10-15 17:40:02 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> The review screen is giving you a table of mount points and devices how they will look like in the resulting system
2024-10-15 17:40:40 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> It's already implemented
2024-10-15 17:40:49 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Cítíš be tweaked if necessary
2024-10-15 17:40:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> This is something for guided only? or would it also be in the advanced/choose your own?
2024-10-15 17:41:02 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Could be tweaked if necessary
2024-10-15 17:41:46 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> There is no advanced partitioning
2024-10-15 17:42:21 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Sorry for missing the start, I had this meeting starting at 7pm my time. I see the ticket has been resolved, thank you and I'll update the schedule to the agreed proposal 
2024-10-15 17:42:59 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Proposal: Wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then have this discussion again.
2024-10-15 17:43:32 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2024-10-15 17:43:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> zbyszek gave a cookie to amoloney. They now have 53 cookies, 20 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-10-15 17:43:36 <@jistone:fedora.im> "deliver" without changes to Fedora deliverables yet?
2024-10-15 17:44:21 <@jistone:fedora.im> i.e. is the Change to be held in limbo?
2024-10-15 17:44:33 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Josh Stone: Web UI is already part of Rawhide
2024-10-15 17:45:01 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> For more than a release
2024-10-15 17:45:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, but, for the sake of understanding our options, we decide not to go forward with the webui, we can always restore the installer from F41, right?
2024-10-15 17:46:10 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, but, for the sake of understanding our options, if we decide not to go forward with the webui, we can always restore the installer from F41, right?
2024-10-15 17:46:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 to waiting
2024-10-15 17:46:50 <@jistone:fedora.im> +1, I'm fine with waiting, just want clarity on the status quo
2024-10-15 17:47:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> as long as there is time before the deadlines, etc.
2024-10-15 17:47:26 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> zbyszek: what exactly does that mean? You mean to remove Web UI from Rawhide now?
2024-10-15 17:48:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> jkonecny: I think he wants assurance that hte GtkUI won't go away in case we need to invoke the contingency plan
2024-10-15 17:48:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> jkonecny: I think he wants assurance that the GtkUI won't go away in case we need to invoke the contingency plan
2024-10-15 17:48:30 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Not now. But since WebUI is enabled in rawhide, for us to be able to make a choice, it must be actually possible to change that.
2024-10-15 17:48:31 <@jistone:fedora.im> and there's the whole "Owners, do not implement this work until the FESCo vote has explicitly ended."
2024-10-15 17:49:04 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> What happened on F41 branching was that after branching we removed the package from kickstart for Fedora Workstation
2024-10-15 17:51:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, but explicitly in this case we wanted to have rawhide to test it I think...
2024-10-15 17:51:16 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> The Web UI enablement is mostly just modification of kickstart
2024-10-15 17:51:16 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> GTK UI can't go away anytime soon. We are replacing only the Workstation. It will take probably a few Fedora releases before we can completely switch to Web UI
2024-10-15 17:51:16 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> 
2024-10-15 17:52:00 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> And it seems fine to keep it in rawhide for now. I don't see any particular reason to remove it when it's already in. Testing would be pretty hard without some image with WebUI.
2024-10-15 17:52:16 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so +1 to the proposal.
2024-10-15 17:52:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, +1 here
2024-10-15 17:52:42 <@jistone:fedora.im> OK, so voting for/against the Change will decide that kickstart. That's fine
2024-10-15 17:52:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: Which proposal is this?
2024-10-15 17:52:56 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> ^
2024-10-15 17:53:00 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Thanks
2024-10-15 17:53:06 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Josh Stone: there is a history of it being accepted thus it is in Rawhide and then the decision was changed. I would say it is no one fault.
2024-10-15 17:53:07 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1  
2024-10-15 17:53:35 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> And there were no objections of keeping it in Rawhide and for us it gives quite a benefits
2024-10-15 17:53:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> jkonecny: Hypothetically, if it supports Workstation, would it support Silverblue?
2024-10-15 17:54:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> The latter isn't a primary citizen, so if we wanted to get real-world usage without switching the main Edition over, could we possibly use Silverblue as our canary?
2024-10-15 17:54:15 <@jistone:fedora.im> jkonecny: understood
2024-10-15 17:54:37 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: Silverblue is not impacted
2024-10-15 17:54:45 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Not even spins 
2024-10-15 17:54:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Stephen Gallagher: Silverblue isn't a live install, so it might be worse
2024-10-15 17:55:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's much more functionality required for non-live install
2024-10-15 17:55:07 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> OK, it was just an idea
2024-10-15 17:55:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2024-10-15 17:55:54 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1 from me to wait, which I think gets to +5.
2024-10-15 17:56:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Make that +6
2024-10-15 17:56:10 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Silverblue depends on functionality which wasn't our focus yet, so SB can't be a target for F42
2024-10-15 17:56:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's not a bad idea, it's just webui is underdeveloped for all the use-cases that anaconda is used
2024-10-15 17:56:32 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !agreed Wait for the Anaconda team to deliver missing functionality and finish blog post / video describing current state. Then have this discussion again. (+6, 0, -0)
2024-10-15 17:56:48 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Hopefully GIS will also get fixed 😔
2024-10-15 17:57:10 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> If not we have a backup plan but still
2024-10-15 17:57:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we're also going to need a firstboot implementation since outside of workstation, everyone needs that
2024-10-15 17:57:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's a lot of stuff to be done to switch away from gtk UI
2024-10-15 17:57:32 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Thanks for postponing the decision
2024-10-15 17:58:31 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Honestly Timezone and user creation already exists in the code
2024-10-15 17:58:39 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> So not that much is missing
2024-10-15 17:58:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> EULA too?
2024-10-15 17:58:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and addon examples?
2024-10-15 17:59:26 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Who requires EULA?
2024-10-15 17:59:30 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think we've covered what we needed to discuss in here today.
2024-10-15 17:59:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> jkonecny: OEM preloads may need it
2024-10-15 18:00:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-10-15 18:00:27 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Kk, I through you know about someone specific
2024-10-15 18:00:33 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Oops forgot next chair
2024-10-15 18:00:38 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Kk, I thought you know about someone specific
2024-10-15 18:00:38 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Next Week's Chair
2024-10-15 18:00:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I do :)
2024-10-15 18:00:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I can't say
2024-10-15 18:01:00 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> 😀
2024-10-15 18:01:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Conan Kudo thanks for volunteering! ;-)
2024-10-15 18:01:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lolwut
2024-10-15 18:01:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I guess I can do it next week
2024-10-15 18:01:57 <@jistone:fedora.im> I can if you don't really want to
2024-10-15 18:02:01 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I was joking because your "I do :)" came right after the topic change
2024-10-15 18:02:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ah
2024-10-15 18:02:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't mind doing it next week
2024-10-15 18:02:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's just before my travel day but that's fine
2024-10-15 18:02:31 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Thanks
2024-10-15 18:02:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !action Conan Kudo to chair the 2024-10-22 meeting
2024-10-15 18:02:50 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor Redux
2024-10-15 18:02:57 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Anything for Open Floor today?
2024-10-15 18:03:33 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: I wonder are we taking about EULA in the Initial Setup
2024-10-15 18:03:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-10-15 18:03:58 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> @conan_kudo:matrix.org: I wonder, are we talking about EULA in the Initial Setup?
2024-10-15 18:06:04 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> We are still in favor of dropping it honestly. Mainly because we just don't have the capacity to spend time it deserves on the project. 😔
2024-10-15 18:06:36 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> And I personally think it was wrong decision to base it on Anaconda
2024-10-15 18:06:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it doesn't do that much, it just runs anaconda to invoke some spokes and not others
2024-10-15 18:07:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Is this discussion useful for FESCo or should we move it elsewhere?
2024-10-15 18:07:38 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> move it elsewhere
2024-10-15 18:07:42 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> And it breaks from time to time because of changes in Anaconda
2024-10-15 18:07:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it matters in the context of swapping to the webui
2024-10-15 18:07:55 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Sorry
2024-10-15 18:08:15 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> no need to apologize, it's just not relevant for the fesco meeting right now
2024-10-15 18:08:33 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Anyway I have to go to brush teeth of my daughter
2024-10-15 18:08:43 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Thanks and bye
2024-10-15 18:08:49 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> take care
2024-10-15 18:09:57 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> jkonecny++. Thanks for coming.
2024-10-15 18:10:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> zbyszek gave a cookie to jkonecny. They now have 6 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-10-15 18:10:11 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, I suggest we wrap this up…
2024-10-15 18:11:52 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Thanks folks. 
2024-10-15 18:11:59 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !endmeeting