<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:00:06
!startmeeting FESCO (2025-01-21)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:09
Meeting started at 2025-01-21 17:00:06 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:09
The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-01-21)'
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:00:12
Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @fale:fale.io, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:00:12
!meetingname fesco
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:00:12
!topic Init Process
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
17:00:14
The Meeting Name is now fesco
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:00:21
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:23
Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:00:28
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:31
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:00:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:38
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@fale:fale.io>
17:00:47
!h
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:00:50
!hi
<@fale:fale.io>
17:00:50
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:51
David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:00:56
Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:07
seems we do.
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:55
There was only one thing up for discussion (and perhaps it just needs more out of band discussion):
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:57
#3331 Schedule mass rebuilds in the end of January for even numbered Fedora (44 and later)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:01:57
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3331
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:02:03
.fesco 3331
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:02:07
!fesco 3331
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:12
**fesco #3331** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3331):**Schedule mass rebuilds in the end of January for even numbered Fedora (44 and later)**
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:12
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:12
● **Last Updated:** 22 hours ago
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:12
● **Opened:** 4 days ago by siddhesh
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:02:12
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:02:49
I don't think we have had any input from Aoife Moloney yet on it...
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:02:52
I'm tentatively -1 on moving it. the spring release schedule is already crowded as-is, and moving the mass rebuild (and its fallout) to happen mostly during CentOS Connect / FOSDEM seems like a bad idea
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:03:07
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:03:08
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:03:16
I could be persuaded to +1 a one week delay, but not end of the month, same reason
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:03:24
yeah, it's not great to reduce the time to fix mass rebuild failures either...
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:04:02
I was kind of surprised that basically no results of the gcc mass-prebuild were shared before the mass rebuild happened
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:04:18
which kind of made me think "it's all gojng to be ok"
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:04:38
sorry was on another meeting
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:05:14
I understand that tho, because it was all during the holidays... but yeah, I guess some early stuff could have gone out
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:05:15
From an admin perspective, I have no issues with making whatever adjustments are needed if this change is approved
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:05:46
from personal experience of how tight the early release always is, Im not sure its worth it
<@fale:fale.io>
17:05:47
Personally I'm generally -1 on this, since pushing back the start - in my mind - will only make the problems become apparent later, rather than making them work in a quicker and smooter way
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:05:56
The gnu23 change wasn't very... highlighted.
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:06:10
↑ that too.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:07:08
Im -1 (without a real vote :P ) to only changing the even numbered releases too. If you want to change the evens, change the odds too
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:07:24
I have no strong feelings in this. If people think that it doesn't make sense to move, I'm fine with that.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:25
we have similar scheduling problems for odd version releases
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:29
because flock
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:07:42
exactly
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:07:44
this year being excluded, flock is right where fosdem is in the schedule
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:07:46
not this year right? Flock this year should be early enough
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:08:15
although if we move it to June as the new time, this does decrease that issue, and was one of the main reasons to move the event to June
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:08:28
although if we move it to June as the new time for flock, this does decrease that issue, and was one of the main reasons to move the event to June
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:08:31
if flock starts bouncing to be a satellite of devconf, then it'll depend on devconf cz and devconf us going forward
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:08:40
Hey could we just do one release :p
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:08:46
(which, to be clear, my opinion is that we shouldn't do that, but that's what happened this year)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:09:27
branching is often at the same time as flock, which is... no good.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:10:01
yeah and branching is right after fosdem in the spring
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:10:04
which isn't awesome either
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:10:15
it's less bad, but still not great
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:10:46
just for reference ... is the GCC schedule bound to any other external dates?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:10:48
ok, then should we vote on this? or ponder on it anymore?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:10:58
I'm not sure.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:11
iirc, gcc's schedule was lined up to fedora's years ago
<@smooge:fedora.im>
17:11:24
i thought it was the opposite
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:35
no, that's the case with gnome
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:11:35
Sorry I'm late, folks
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:11:41
then I propose moving gcc schedule up one week ;)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:11:42
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:11:44
Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
<@smooge:fedora.im>
17:11:46
ah ok
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:11:51
our schedule was aligned to gnome's
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:12:15
well gnome's schedule has gotten messy too, but it's still mostly intact
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:12:28
I think that was suggested in the ticket... but not sure if it got a response yet
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:13:03
we should ask them if they can move up to the top of november
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:13:15
iirc their schedule is that it's at the middle of november
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:13:19
For the record, I'm also -1 on moving the schedule. It's unfortunate that the timing isn't ideal, but we have too many moving parts in the distro.
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:14:24
Ok, should we do a vote and move on?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:15:01
yeah...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:15:33
I guess I'm -1 to changing it (at least based on all the factors we know now. If more info comes up we can revist)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:16:06
Proposal: FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:16:19
nirik is typing :)
<@smooge:fedora.im>
17:16:24
I haven't seen anyone say +1 on this ...
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:16:44
not in this room I wasn't. ;( nheko seems to take any activity... ;(
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:16:51
+1
<@fale:fale.io>
17:16:54
+1
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:16:58
+1
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:17:00
+1
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:17:38
+1
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:17:42
+1
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:17:43
+1
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:23
!agreed Proposal: FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events. (+7,0,0)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:35
!agreed FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events. (+7,0,0)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:46
!topic Next week's chair
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:18:50
who wants it?
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:19:15
I will be traveling on the 28th
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:19:16
how many of us will be around next week and not traveling to brussels?
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:19:16
thanks!
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:19:20
I'll try to make it but I might not be back at the hotel
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:19:37
Fale: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process is the best resource (since it's your first time)
<@dcantrell:fedora.im>
17:19:39
I will be on a plane this time next week
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:19:41
!action Fale will chair next weeks meeting
<@fale:fale.io>
17:19:44
Stephen Gallagher: thanks :)
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:19:47
I'll be around
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:19:51
I will be available as far as I know
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:20:09
I may or may not be at my hotel by that time
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:20:11
I don't know
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:28
so sounds like we play it by ear... may have quorum or not.
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:20:28
same here. depends on how much Deutsche Bahn will delay me
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:43
!topic Open Floor
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:20:54
any open floor topics?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:21:16
nothing from me
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:22:09
Could I ask members to vote on any F42 changes that are open please? I can get trackers assigned to the approved ones asap
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:22:14
Oh, from the mass rebuild we managed to find a number of packages in weird states (there's a ticket about retiring some of them).
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:22:46
I just voted - sorry, yesterday was a public holiday in the US (though as usual, not in every state / every company)
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:23:44
Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6: Yeah, more of an Unholiday
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:23:48
ok, if nothing else, lets close out? will close in a minute.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:23:53
I think I've voted for everything that had concluded discussion
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:24:03
esp if you have kids and schools are closed
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:24:14
Changes that have no -1's after a week will be automatically processed as approved, but if there is full consensus on changes earlier than then I will process those ones earlier
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:24:26
awesome
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:24:30
there's a few like that now I think
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
17:24:31
Im just conscious of the testable deadline in ~2 weeks
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:24:46
yeah, the pile of changes have really dripped in this cycle
<@zbyszek:fedora.im>
17:24:58
See y'all next week.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:25:04
yup, thanks for raising that
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:25:26
!endmeeting
<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>
17:26:17
huh.
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:26:24
I'm a little concerned about the tomcat proposal on the devel list
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:26:29
*either element or my internet connection seems to be having a stroke*
<@michel:one.ems.host>
17:26:59
great, chat.fedoraproject.org went down
<@michel:one.ems.host>
17:27:16
it's not Element - both my browser session and my Schildi client went offline
<@salimma:fedora.im>
17:27:24
back now
<@sgallagh:fedora.im>
17:27:26
Seems back now
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
17:27:26
😬 looks back now.