2025-01-21 17:00:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !startmeeting FESCO (2025-01-21)
2025-01-21 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-21 17:00:06 UTC
2025-01-21 17:00:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-01-21)'
2025-01-21 17:00:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @fale:fale.io, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
2025-01-21 17:00:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !meetingname fesco
2025-01-21 17:00:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !topic Init Process
2025-01-21 17:00:14 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2025-01-21 17:00:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-21 17:00:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:00:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-21 17:00:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:00:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-21 17:00:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:00:47 <@fale:fale.io> !h
2025-01-21 17:00:50 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-21 17:00:50 <@fale:fale.io> !hi
2025-01-21 17:00:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> David Cantrell (dcantrell) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:00:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Alessandro Locati (fale) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:01:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> seems we do.
2025-01-21 17:01:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There was only one thing up for discussion (and perhaps it just needs more out of band discussion):
2025-01-21 17:01:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> #3331 Schedule mass rebuilds in the end of January for even numbered Fedora (44 and later) 
2025-01-21 17:01:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3331
2025-01-21 17:02:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> .fesco 3331
2025-01-21 17:02:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !fesco 3331
2025-01-21 17:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3331** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3331):**Schedule mass rebuilds in the end of January for even numbered Fedora (44 and later)**
2025-01-21 17:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-01-21 17:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 22 hours ago
2025-01-21 17:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 days ago by siddhesh
2025-01-21 17:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-01-21 17:02:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think we have had any input from Aoife Moloney yet on it...
2025-01-21 17:02:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'm tentatively -1 on moving it. the spring release schedule is already crowded as-is, and moving the mass rebuild (and its fallout) to happen mostly during CentOS Connect / FOSDEM seems like a bad idea
2025-01-21 17:03:07 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-21 17:03:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2025-01-21 17:03:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> I could be persuaded to +1 a one week delay, but not end of the month, same reason
2025-01-21 17:03:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, it's not great to reduce the time to fix mass rebuild failures either...
2025-01-21 17:04:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I was kind of surprised that basically no results of the gcc mass-prebuild were shared before the mass rebuild happened 
2025-01-21 17:04:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> which kind of made me think "it's all gojng to be ok"
2025-01-21 17:04:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> sorry was on another meeting
2025-01-21 17:05:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I understand that tho, because it was all during the holidays... but yeah, I guess some early stuff could have gone out
2025-01-21 17:05:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> From an admin perspective, I have no issues with making whatever adjustments are needed if this change is approved
2025-01-21 17:05:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> from personal experience of how tight the early release always is, Im not sure its worth it 
2025-01-21 17:05:47 <@fale:fale.io> Personally I'm generally -1 on this, since pushing back the start - in my mind - will only make the problems become apparent later, rather than making them work in a quicker and smooter way
2025-01-21 17:05:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> The gnu23 change wasn't very... highlighted.
2025-01-21 17:06:10 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ↑ that too.
2025-01-21 17:07:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im -1 (without a real vote :P ) to only changing the even numbered releases too. If you want to change the evens, change the odds too
2025-01-21 17:07:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I have no strong feelings in this. If people think that it doesn't make sense to move, I'm fine with that.
2025-01-21 17:07:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we have similar scheduling problems for odd version releases
2025-01-21 17:07:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> because flock
2025-01-21 17:07:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> exactly
2025-01-21 17:07:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this year being excluded, flock is right where fosdem is in the schedule
2025-01-21 17:07:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> not this year right? Flock this year should be early enough
2025-01-21 17:08:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> although if we move it to June as the new time, this does decrease that issue, and was one of the main reasons to move the event to June
2025-01-21 17:08:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> although if we move it to June as the new time for flock, this does decrease that issue, and was one of the main reasons to move the event to June
2025-01-21 17:08:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if flock starts bouncing to be a satellite of devconf, then it'll depend on devconf cz and devconf us going forward
2025-01-21 17:08:40 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Hey could we just do one release :p
2025-01-21 17:08:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (which, to be clear, my opinion is that we shouldn't do that, but that's what happened this year)
2025-01-21 17:09:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> branching is often at the same time as flock, which is... no good.
2025-01-21 17:10:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah and branching is right after fosdem in the spring
2025-01-21 17:10:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which isn't awesome either
2025-01-21 17:10:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's less bad, but still not great
2025-01-21 17:10:46 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> just for reference ... is the GCC schedule bound to any other external dates?
2025-01-21 17:10:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, then should we vote on this? or ponder on it anymore?
2025-01-21 17:10:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure.
2025-01-21 17:11:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> iirc, gcc's schedule was lined up to fedora's years ago
2025-01-21 17:11:24 <@smooge:fedora.im> i thought it was the opposite
2025-01-21 17:11:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no, that's the case with gnome
2025-01-21 17:11:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Sorry I'm late, folks
2025-01-21 17:11:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> then I propose moving gcc schedule up one week ;)
2025-01-21 17:11:42 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-21 17:11:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-01-21 17:11:46 <@smooge:fedora.im> ah ok
2025-01-21 17:11:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> our schedule was aligned to gnome's
2025-01-21 17:12:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well gnome's schedule has gotten messy too, but it's still mostly intact
2025-01-21 17:12:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think that was suggested in the ticket... but not sure if it got a response yet
2025-01-21 17:13:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we should ask them if they can move up to the top of november
2025-01-21 17:13:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> iirc their schedule is that it's at the middle of november
2025-01-21 17:13:19 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> For the record, I'm also -1 on moving the schedule. It's unfortunate that the timing isn't ideal, but we have too many moving parts in the distro.
2025-01-21 17:14:24 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Ok, should we do a vote and move on?
2025-01-21 17:15:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah...
2025-01-21 17:15:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess I'm -1 to changing it (at least based on all the factors we know now. If more info comes up we can revist)
2025-01-21 17:16:06 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Proposal: FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events.
2025-01-21 17:16:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> nirik is typing :)
2025-01-21 17:16:24 <@smooge:fedora.im> I haven't seen anyone say +1 on this ... 
2025-01-21 17:16:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not in this room I wasn't. ;( nheko seems to take any activity... ;(
2025-01-21 17:16:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-01-21 17:16:54 <@fale:fale.io> +1
2025-01-21 17:16:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-01-21 17:17:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-21 17:17:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-21 17:17:42 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-21 17:17:43 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> +1
2025-01-21 17:18:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !agreed Proposal: FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events. (+7,0,0)
2025-01-21 17:18:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !agreed FESCo does not recommend adjusting the schedule due to such a change impacting too many other events. (+7,0,0)
2025-01-21 17:18:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !topic Next week's chair
2025-01-21 17:18:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> who wants it?
2025-01-21 17:19:15 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I will be traveling on the 28th
2025-01-21 17:19:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> how many of us will be around next week and not traveling to brussels?
2025-01-21 17:19:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks!
2025-01-21 17:19:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'll try to make it but I might not be back at the hotel 
2025-01-21 17:19:37 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Fale: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process is the best resource (since it's your first time)
2025-01-21 17:19:39 <@dcantrell:fedora.im> I will be on a plane this time next week
2025-01-21 17:19:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !action Fale will chair next weeks meeting
2025-01-21 17:19:44 <@fale:fale.io> Stephen Gallagher: thanks :)
2025-01-21 17:19:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'll be around
2025-01-21 17:19:51 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I will be available as far as I know
2025-01-21 17:20:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I may or may not be at my hotel by that time
2025-01-21 17:20:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know
2025-01-21 17:20:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so sounds like we play it by ear... may have quorum or not.
2025-01-21 17:20:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> same here. depends on how much Deutsche Bahn will delay me 
2025-01-21 17:20:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !topic Open Floor
2025-01-21 17:20:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> any open floor topics?
2025-01-21 17:21:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nothing from me
2025-01-21 17:22:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Could I ask members to vote on any F42 changes that are open please? I can get trackers assigned to the approved ones asap
2025-01-21 17:22:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Oh, from the mass rebuild we managed to find a number of packages in weird states (there's a ticket about retiring some of them).
2025-01-21 17:22:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> I just voted - sorry, yesterday was a public holiday in the US (though as usual, not in every state / every company)
2025-01-21 17:23:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6: Yeah, more of an Unholiday
2025-01-21 17:23:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, if nothing else, lets close out? will close in a minute.
2025-01-21 17:23:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think I've voted for everything that had concluded discussion
2025-01-21 17:24:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> esp if you have kids and schools are closed
2025-01-21 17:24:14 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Changes that have no -1's after a week will be automatically processed as approved, but if there is full consensus on changes earlier than then I will process those ones earlier
2025-01-21 17:24:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> awesome
2025-01-21 17:24:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's a few like that now I think
2025-01-21 17:24:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im just conscious of the testable deadline in ~2 weeks 
2025-01-21 17:24:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, the pile of changes have really dripped in this cycle
2025-01-21 17:24:58 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> See y'all next week.
2025-01-21 17:25:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> yup, thanks for raising that
2025-01-21 17:25:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !endmeeting
2025-01-21 17:26:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> huh.
2025-01-21 17:26:24 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'm a little concerned about the tomcat proposal on the devel list
2025-01-21 17:26:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> *either element or my internet connection seems to be having a stroke*
2025-01-21 17:26:59 <@michel:one.ems.host> great, chat.fedoraproject.org went down
2025-01-21 17:27:16 <@michel:one.ems.host> it's not Element - both my browser session and my Schildi client went offline
2025-01-21 17:27:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> back now
2025-01-21 17:27:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Seems back now
2025-01-21 17:27:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 😬 looks back now.