2025-02-11 17:00:25 <@humaton:fedora.im> !startmeeting FESCO (2025-02-11)

2025-02-11 17:00:27 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-11 17:00:25 UTC
2025-02-11 17:00:27 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'FESCO (2025-02-11)'
2025-02-11 17:00:32 <@humaton:fedora.im> !meetingname fesco
2025-02-11 17:00:33 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now fesco
2025-02-11 17:00:40 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic Init Process
2025-02-11 17:00:40 <@humaton:fedora.im> Chairs: @conan_kudo:matrix.org, @ngompa:fedora.im, @nirik:matrix.scrye.com, @humaton:fedora.im, @zbyszek:fedora.im, @sgallagh:fedora.im, @fale:fale.io, @dcantrell:fedora.im, @decathorpe:fedora.im, @salimma:fedora.im
2025-02-11 17:00:50 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-11 17:00:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2025-02-11 17:00:53 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-11 17:00:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbyszek)
2025-02-11 17:01:27 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That's three of us.
2025-02-11 17:01:40 <@humaton:fedora.im> well 
2025-02-11 17:02:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-02-11 17:02:23 <@humaton:fedora.im> lets give it a few
2025-02-11 17:03:11 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-11 17:03:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-02-11 17:03:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-11 17:03:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-02-11 17:04:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> sorry, previous errand ran late
2025-02-11 17:05:03 <@humaton:fedora.im> so we have 6 people here do I count correctly?
2025-02-11 17:05:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Yep.
2025-02-11 17:06:13 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic #3360  provenpackager nomination for james
2025-02-11 17:06:22 <@humaton:fedora.im> !fesco 3360
2025-02-11 17:06:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-11 17:06:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3360** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3360):**provenpackager nomination for james**
2025-02-11 17:06:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 6 days ago by james
2025-02-11 17:06:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 hours ago
2025-02-11 17:06:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-02-11 17:07:27 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> So, my objection here remains that I think any provenpackager approval needs to be related to a particular objective, not merely a subjective decision about a person's capability.
2025-02-11 17:07:53 <@humaton:fedora.im> I agree
2025-02-11 17:08:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I've not read the comments added this morning yet.
2025-02-11 17:08:06 <@humaton:fedora.im> I thought while reading this before the meeting. Releng has a group sysadmin-releng that allows members to push to all distgit repositories.
2025-02-11 17:08:25 <@humaton:fedora.im> can we use that group for work like mass rebuild fixes and so on
2025-02-11 17:08:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure. The riscv help is reasonable tho...
2025-02-11 17:09:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> what is the difference with provenpackager then, permission wise?
2025-02-11 17:09:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we probibly need to revamp the process / guidelines... but that is a bigger discussion
2025-02-11 17:09:54 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Hmm, I reread the original post more carefully.
2025-02-11 17:10:08 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> "I've not built any non-scratch builds for Fedora in the past few years"
2025-02-11 17:10:19 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I somehow missed that part.
2025-02-11 17:10:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Stephen Gallagher: I'm always reminded of back when we started provenpackagers and several of the folks there only approved it because they thought it should be 'easy to be added' if you show you know what you are doing.
2025-02-11 17:10:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and we seem to ask some people for detailed plans, and others we just approve... not very consistent. ;(
2025-02-11 17:10:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, the part of not having done builds recently gave me pause too
2025-02-11 17:10:39 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds?userID=james&order=-build_id shows no builds since f24.
2025-02-11 17:10:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> OK, so based on that, I'll change my vote to -1.
2025-02-11 17:11:15 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> It seems wrong to jump from "no activity" to "unconstrained activity".
2025-02-11 17:11:23 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: I'm pretty sure I've always asked for detailed plans. There may have been other times I wasn't around when the discussion happened.
2025-02-11 17:11:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I think if the criterion for removal from the group due to inactivity is satisfied at the time membership is requested, that's not a good sign 😅
2025-02-11 17:13:29 <@humaton:fedora.im> so I little bit confused by the votes in the ticket.
2025-02-11 17:14:49 <@james:fedora.im> Not to push people to move on unnecessarily. But my understanding is that a single -1 is a no ... and we have two -1 now.
2025-02-11 17:14:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Packager_sponsor_policy/#who_sponsors_the_sponsors is the current policy
2025-02-11 17:15:12 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> No, that's the wrong one.
2025-02-11 17:15:13 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Provenpackager_policy/#_becoming_provenpackager
2025-02-11 17:15:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh, sorry, right.
2025-02-11 17:15:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so yeah, normal fesco voting rules
2025-02-11 17:15:45 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> tl;dr: sponsors vote, and if there is disagreement, fesco votes.
2025-02-11 17:15:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (once there is a -1)
2025-02-11 17:15:53 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Right.
2025-02-11 17:17:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Returning to Stephen's point, I think that asking for detailed plans has only limited usefulness. Many people become pps to do something, and a few months later that thing is done, but they keep doing other useful things. So I think we should be fine with a general "I want to help with …" motivation.
2025-02-11 17:17:51 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> So I don't find the lack of clear agenda such a big problem. But lack of current activity is a big problem for me.
2025-02-11 17:18:12 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think the initial agenda has value, if only in demonstrating that the powers are used well
2025-02-11 17:18:22 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> That is true.
2025-02-11 17:18:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but we never really revisit them...
2025-02-11 17:18:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also, it could well constrain someone... oh, I could help with that, but... sorry, I got this to do this other thing.
2025-02-11 17:19:21 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> nirik: Only once in memory has there been sufficient cause to revisit it
2025-02-11 17:19:22 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'm sure James Antill is up to date with current packaging guidelines (as FPC chair) - but maybe just not with current packager tooling? not sure if that should be a consideration here or not.
2025-02-11 17:19:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, thats moving into the revamp of the policy. ;) James Antill: would you be ok to withdraw and resubmit later after you have more activity?
2025-02-11 17:20:03 <@james:fedora.im> I'm fine with a rejection. :)
2025-02-11 17:21:55 <@humaton:fedora.im> hm so I see +2,2,-2 including the change in vote 
2025-02-11 17:22:22 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'm pretty sure there's -3; zbyszek , Conan Kudo and myself
2025-02-11 17:22:29 <@humaton:fedora.im> oh
2025-02-11 17:22:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm switching to -1 as well
2025-02-11 17:22:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> also didn't notice the lack of activity before, sorry
2025-02-11 17:23:58 <@humaton:fedora.im> ok so the only +1 is kevin I am 0 as well as Fale 
2025-02-11 17:24:26 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> With two 0's, that makes -4 definitive
2025-02-11 17:25:18 <@humaton:fedora.im> !agreed provenpackager nomination for james is rejected (+1, 2, -4)
2025-02-11 17:26:03 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic 3356 Change: Switch to EROFS for Live Media
2025-02-11 17:26:08 <@humaton:fedora.im> !fesco 3356
2025-02-11 17:26:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **fesco #3356** (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3356):**Change: Switch to EROFS for Live Media**
2025-02-11 17:26:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-02-11 17:26:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by amoloney
2025-02-11 17:26:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 hours ago
2025-02-11 17:26:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** ngompa
2025-02-11 17:26:23 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Weren't we supposed to postpone that?
2025-02-11 17:26:26 <@humaton:fedora.im> So Conan Kudo is not here today I will defer it to next week
2025-02-11 17:26:35 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> A, right.
2025-02-11 17:26:43 <@humaton:fedora.im> yeah but the agenda mail was out 
2025-02-11 17:27:02 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic Next week's chair
2025-02-11 17:27:25 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I will be out of town next week
2025-02-11 17:27:46 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I might miss next meeting, I'll be doing training.
2025-02-11 17:28:07 <@humaton:fedora.im> ok I dont mind doing it
2025-02-11 17:28:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> hmm
2025-02-11 17:28:40 <@humaton:fedora.im> how do I highligh myself here
2025-02-11 17:29:15 <@humaton:fedora.im> !action @humaton:fedora.im will chair next meeting
2025-02-11 17:29:31 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-02-11 17:29:49 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Does /me work‽
2025-02-11 17:30:14 <@humaton:fedora.im> hm have to try it in some cmd
2025-02-11 17:30:33 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> I started doing pull requests for the sysusers conversion. I opened a few as a test a few days ago, and another ~250 today.
2025-02-11 17:30:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> zbyszek: Don't undersell yourself. You do plenty of work ;-)
2025-02-11 17:30:52 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Unfortunately it seems pagure broke, I'm getting 504s now.
2025-02-11 17:31:10 <@humaton:fedora.im> hmm ad broken pagure
2025-02-11 17:31:18 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher: maybe I do plenty, but know if it works?
2025-02-11 17:31:25 <@humaton:fedora.im> we have a tracker for Forgejo deployment https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/forgejo-deployment/issues
2025-02-11 17:32:44 <@humaton:fedora.im> there is a first deployment draft in staging not sure if we stick with that model yet
2025-02-11 17:32:47 <@zbyszek:fedora.im> For the sysusers stuff: if you see a pull request, feel free to ask questions there. I try to answer everything.
2025-02-11 17:33:01 <@humaton:fedora.im> but we are also working on producing container images
2025-02-11 17:35:22 <@humaton:fedora.im> If there is nothing more I will close the meeting in few minutes
2025-02-11 17:38:07 <@humaton:fedora.im> !endmeeting