05:36:00 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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05:36:00 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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05:36:00 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:36:01 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-07-24
05:36:09 <mfabian> ☺
05:36:09 <suanand> hi
05:37:12 <pwu> hi
05:37:14 <spathare__> hi
05:37:26 <juhp> hello
05:38:35 <pravin_s> hi :)
05:39:16 <paragan> #chair mfabian suanand pwu spathare__ juhp pravins
05:39:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian paragan pravins pwu spathare__ suanand
05:39:22 <paragan> lets start the meeting
05:39:27 <paragan> we have less agenda today
05:39:30 <pyadav> hi
05:39:42 <paragan> #chair pyadav
05:39:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian paragan pravins pwu pyadav spathare__ suanand
05:39:54 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:39:54 <paragan> #info 2018-07-03	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:39:54 <paragan> #info 2018-07-11	Mass Rebuild
05:39:54 <paragan> #info 2018-07-24	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:39:54 <paragan> #info 2018-07-31	Software String Freeze
05:39:55 <fujiwarat> hi
05:40:33 <paragan> so today is Self Change proposal deadline
05:40:50 <paragan> also Software String Freeze has been announced on devel list
05:41:54 <paragan> that was reminder email
05:41:58 <tagoh> hi
05:42:06 <paragan> #chair fujiwarat tagoh
05:42:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins pwu pyadav spathare__ suanand tagoh
05:42:43 <paragan> If you have got any mass rebuild bugs for rawhide or F28, try to fix it as soon as possible
05:43:05 <juhp> anyone have the link?
05:43:35 <juhp> yes for the mass rebuild failures
05:44:07 * pwu got several FTBFS bugs because of python 2.x.
05:44:13 <paragan> well you should have got the bugs reported already
05:44:34 <paragan> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mass-rebuild/f29-failures.html
05:44:54 <mfabian> pwu: I fixed the google-noto-emoji-fonts one yesterday, I just saw the bugzilla mail and didn’t notice that it was assigned to you at first.
05:45:20 <juhp> mfabian++
05:45:26 <pwu> mfabian: Thanks!
05:45:45 <pwu> mfabian++
05:46:20 <pwu> I got 5 failed FTBFS bugs.
05:47:43 <paragan> good to fix them as soon as possible
05:48:19 <paragan> for python issues, python packaging team is very good in helping and fixing the issues in porting to python3
05:49:31 <paragan> okay let's move
05:49:34 <juhp> yes, I have seen some people helping to fix failures
05:51:07 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
05:51:07 <paragan> #info #98: Hackathon during flock 2018 (pravins)
05:51:07 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/98
05:51:25 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
05:51:59 <juhp> (or dependency breakage actually)
05:52:04 <paragan> we already have few points in this ticket for agenda
05:52:39 <juhp> We renamed the hackfest session to "i18n development and testing" I think
05:53:26 <juhp> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/33
05:54:40 <paragan> okay
05:54:58 <juhp> yes
05:55:16 <juhp> I don't think the schedule is out yet
05:55:46 <pravins> yes
05:56:32 <juhp> I think we will do a little more planning ahead of the event
05:57:46 <paragan> sure
05:59:18 <juhp> long pause :)
05:59:38 <paragan> lets move to next ticket
05:59:47 <paragan> #info #99: Tracker for Fedora 29 Changes (pnemade)
05:59:48 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/99
06:00:16 <paragan> I see pravins has worked on the Liberation fonts2 Change proposal
06:00:23 <paragan> pravins, thanks for your help
06:00:45 <paragan> Change has been announced yesterday on devel list
06:01:08 <juhp> good
06:01:24 <paragan> so I think we have got 3 Changes in total for Fedora 29
06:01:44 <paragan> I will create separate tickets to track them
06:02:23 <paragan> next ticket
06:02:36 <paragan> #info #100: Fedora 27 Bug triaging (pnemade)
06:02:36 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/100
06:02:49 <paragan> This activity is going on by QE team
06:03:05 <paragan> I see some of the bugs got traiged already
06:05:28 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:05:32 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:06:12 <paragan> if not then will close the meeting in 2 minutes :)
06:06:28 <juhp> I heard from tagoh that the final changes for the Noto CJK change have landed in Rawhide
06:06:48 <juhp> Could we discuss https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/103 ?
06:07:03 <juhp> I dunno if it came up while I was away last month
06:07:15 <juhp> about #fedora-i18n channel
06:07:31 <paragan> I did not pick it as you were away and I did not see any updates to this ticket
06:07:41 <juhp> okay :)
06:07:46 <juhp> updates?
06:07:53 <lijli> bbarve, we may need arrange time for the QA for Noto CJK as juhp pingd in email and ticket?
06:07:53 <tagoh> yes, Noto is ready for testing on rawhide now
06:08:06 <juhp> great tagoh++
06:08:14 <paragan> juhp, updates mean what you were expecting
06:08:18 <juhp> lijli: yes please
06:08:49 <juhp> paragan: well the motivation for the ticket was to start using #fedora-i18n again
06:08:49 <bbarve> lijli, juhp yep sure. Will plan for the tests
06:08:57 <juhp> thanks!!
06:09:03 <lijli> thanks bbarve
06:09:18 <juhp> as per the title :)
06:09:48 <juhp> we could have a meeting tag too :)
06:10:51 <juhp> Both #fedora-g11n and #fedora-i18n are largely unused nowadays
06:11:38 <juhp> The last sentence also asks if we are happy with our Fedora subproject name "I18n"?
06:12:02 <juhp> I think we should promote the fedora i18n "brand" more
06:12:22 <juhp> since fedora g11n seems no longer so active?
06:12:51 <pravins> yeah, we are more using trans and i18n
06:12:56 <pravins> not that much g11n.
06:13:03 <juhp> right
06:13:46 <lijli> yeah, and we don't have a group named g11n :)
06:13:51 <juhp> I think the name question was brought up by tagoh
06:14:35 <fujiwarat> I think the keyword 'g11n' might work for the internal discussion in each company.
06:15:26 <paragan> okay so is there any proposal for this ticket to resolve it?
06:15:36 <tagoh> yes I did. because people still sometimes confuse the name. it seems not that obvious for them
06:20:09 <juhp> fujiwarat: g11n is common nowadays?
06:20:18 <juhp> tagoh: right
06:20:42 <juhp> Is something like "i18n software development" clearer?
06:21:14 <juhp> I can't really think of a clearer short-name - something including the word language perhaps?
06:21:42 <juhp> paragan: well simplest would be for everyone to join #fedora-i18n again
06:21:50 <juhp> that was the original intention
06:22:42 <fujiwarat> juhp: Did you see any people to find g11n chat?
06:22:44 <juhp> i think we need a separate ticket for any rename discussion
06:24:49 <juhp> fujiwarat: are we seeing more people coming to #fedora-g11n??  Not that I am aware, but of course #fedora-g11n is bigger channel since both trans and i18n people there
06:26:37 <fujiwarat> juhp: I don't think many people to search g11n but i18n or l10n or translation.
06:26:52 <juhp> How do people feel about #fedora-i18n vs #fedora-g11n?
06:26:55 <juhp> fujiwarat: right
06:27:11 <juhp> fujiwarat: I think I understood your comment now thanks
06:27:28 <fujiwarat> :)
06:28:29 <juhp> So do you all want to rejoin to #fedora-i18n channel?
06:28:45 <juhp> A few of us hardcores holdouts never left :)
06:28:49 <paragan> okay I have joined there and added it to autojoin channel list :)
06:29:23 <paragan> I left as we have topic for that channel as deprecated channel
06:29:53 <pravins> :)
06:30:20 <pravins> but still, good to have on g11n channel as well.
06:30:31 <juhp> oaky
06:30:33 <juhp> okay
06:30:40 <juhp> paragan: good point
06:30:45 <juhp> It magically changed
06:30:49 <juhp> now
06:30:52 <juhp> ;)
06:32:15 <juhp> great
06:33:12 <juhp> I think if everyone joins we could have more communication there
06:33:37 <juhp> any objections?
06:33:57 <paragan> no
06:34:14 * suanand no
06:35:11 <juhp> tagoh, mfabian, suanand, vishal_vr?
06:35:16 <tagoh> nope
06:35:22 <suanand> nope
06:35:23 <mfabian> No objections.
06:35:29 <vishal_vr> juhp, no
06:35:59 <juhp> So please join....
06:38:39 <fujiwarat> It might be good to create fedora-qe and fedora-l10n
06:39:31 <paragan> we have general #fedora-qa and #fedora-l10n channel
06:39:54 <juhp> indeed
06:39:54 <fujiwarat> ok, I see.
06:41:07 <fujiwarat> #fedora-l10n shows "moved to #fedora-g11n" :).
06:44:55 <juhp> Yes #fedora-i18n did too
06:45:09 <juhp> well that is up to Fedora L10n to decide
06:45:25 <juhp> I think we are over time?
06:47:33 <paragan> so should we close?
06:48:26 <paragan> Thanks all who came to this meeting
06:48:31 <paragan> #endmeeting