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05:30:23 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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05:30:23 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:23 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2022-06-13
05:31:04 <suanand> hello
05:31:09 <pwu> hi
05:32:11 <JensPetersen[m]> hi
05:32:19 <mfabian__> ☺
05:32:54 <priyam_> hi
05:32:54 <paragan> #chair suanand pwu JensPetersen[m] mfabian__
05:32:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] mfabian__ paragan pwu suanand
05:33:56 <paragan> #chair priyam_
05:33:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] mfabian__ paragan priyam_ pwu suanand
05:34:09 <paragan> Let's start this meeting
05:34:15 <JensPetersen[m]> #chair sshil
05:34:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] mfabian__ paragan priyam_ pwu sshil suanand
05:34:49 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:35:07 <paragan> #info 2022-06-22 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes)
05:35:07 <paragan> #info 2022-06-28 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
05:35:08 <paragan> #info 2022-06-28 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:35:41 <paragan> Change proposal deadlines for System Wide Change is by this month end
05:35:58 <JensPetersen[m]> Only 2 weeks left for that
05:36:13 <paragan> if anyone want to submit please do so now
05:37:17 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
05:37:17 <JensPetersen[m]> Do we have a separate topic about Changes?
05:37:24 <paragan> we do
05:37:32 <JensPetersen[m]> ah yes thanks
05:37:38 <JensPetersen[m]> at the end
05:37:53 <paragan> yes
05:38:13 <paragan> moving to our issues discussion
05:38:27 <paragan> #topic Issues
05:38:38 <paragan> #info #158: State of i18n and l10n in Workstation (petersen)
05:38:38 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/158
05:39:09 <paragan> Can this be closed?
05:40:02 <JensPetersen[m]> Hmm that is one option - I was about to ask what should we do with this ticket
05:40:23 <JensPetersen[m]> Maybe some of it should be broken down into smaller tickets somewhere
05:41:01 <paragan> yes we can have new tickets from that discussion
05:41:05 <JensPetersen[m]> (Maybe we should have some meeting or "notmeeting" tag too?)
05:41:38 <JensPetersen[m]> We need some time to break it down though - maybe a separate meeting
05:41:50 <paragan> Ok. Will check with Akira if its implemented in our meeting agenda script
05:41:59 <paragan> nod
05:43:22 <paragan> we will set separate meeting and have discussion
05:43:26 <suanand> hi sshil
05:43:29 <paragan> anything else to discuss for this ticket?
05:44:30 <paragan> moving to next issue
05:44:39 <paragan> #info #159: use weak deps to install ibus immodules etc (petersen)
05:44:40 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/159
05:44:45 <sshil> Hello
05:45:00 <paragan> sshil, Hi
05:45:41 <paragan> I guess no update here
05:46:09 <JensPetersen[m]> Right also #nomeeting :)
05:46:23 <JensPetersen[m]> Haven't moved it any further
05:46:27 <paragan> Ok there is no PR against gtk3
05:46:47 <JensPetersen[m]> Not yet right - let me try before next meeting
05:47:11 <JensPetersen[m]> But gtk3 is less serious until gtk4 is default/only gtk
05:47:39 <paragan> Okay
05:47:42 <JensPetersen[m]> Might still be more meaningful for some other desktops perhaps
05:48:23 <JensPetersen[m]> * more meaningful now for some
05:50:32 <tagoh[m]> Hi
05:50:42 <JensPetersen[m]> Let's move on
05:51:24 <paragan> Ok
05:51:54 <paragan> #info #161: add QA testcase for OS upgrade testing (pnemade)
05:51:54 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/161
05:52:02 <paragan> there is no update on this yet
05:52:47 <paragan> moving to next issue
05:52:55 <paragan> #info #162: track Fonts component bugs (petersen)
05:52:56 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/162
05:53:04 <paragan> checking if we have any new bug to discuss here
05:54:05 <paragan> ok there is nothing to discuss here as well
05:54:10 <paragan> moving to next issue
05:54:18 <paragan> #info #163: create a wiki page table of Emoji input support across desktop/toolkits (petersen)
05:54:18 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/163
05:54:32 <JensPetersen[m]> Wait can we help to files bugs for the second Fonts bug?
05:55:58 <JensPetersen[m]> Well a comment to that effect in the Fonts ticket
05:56:32 <JensPetersen[m]> #163 has no progress I am afraid - hopefully to start our work on it soon
05:56:57 <JensPetersen[m]> s/a/added/
05:57:30 <tagoh[m]> firefox one?
05:57:41 <JensPetersen[m]> Right
05:58:13 <JensPetersen[m]> Maybe addressing Droid comes first
05:59:57 <tagoh[m]> let's clone it and reassign one to droid and another one to urw-base35-fonts.
06:00:23 <JensPetersen[m]> That sounds good, thanks!
06:00:58 <JensPetersen[m]> Will you? :)
06:01:05 <tagoh[m]> Sure
06:01:52 <paragan> thanks let's move to next issue
06:03:00 <paragan> #info #164: document our default and optional fonts choices (tagoh)
06:03:00 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/164
06:03:35 <paragan> any update here?
06:03:56 <JensPetersen[m]> Probably the next ticket :)
06:04:29 <paragan> Ok Sure
06:04:40 <tagoh[m]> yes, please.
06:04:59 <paragan> next issue
06:05:00 <paragan> #info #166: Review new fonts table (tagoh)
06:05:00 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/166
06:06:00 <paragan> A review has been requested on this generated output https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/status/36-diff.html
06:06:13 <paragan> do review it and if needed fix the required things
06:06:16 <JensPetersen[m]> (Maybe better to revisit #164 nearer F37 now?)
06:06:25 <tagoh[m]> Yep, I created tables as you can see them on the ticket. we need to review them if we want to use it as a reference because it is just reflected the actual current result on f36.
06:07:08 <tagoh[m]> which would not necessarily means the ideal result for us.
06:07:44 <JensPetersen[m]> I think the diff is between all langpacks fonts and all Fedora fonts installed?
06:07:54 <tagoh[m]> Yes
06:08:30 <JensPetersen[m]> Again the Droid font stands out badly
06:09:01 <JensPetersen[m]> I think it would be useful to also have results for Workstation default fonts
06:10:01 <tagoh[m]> Aha
06:12:17 <paragan> anything else here to discuss?
06:12:27 <JensPetersen[m]> All fedora fonts is probably a bit extreme :)
06:13:12 <JensPetersen[m]> tagoh: good to mention your fontquery tool here?
06:14:52 <tagoh[m]> Well, there are small text as the credit in those html though, those table was generated from small tool, fontquery right. https://github.com/fedora-i18n/fontquery
06:15:02 <JensPetersen[m]> Nice
06:16:20 <paragan> 👍
06:17:33 <tagoh[m]> just created a comparison table between langpacks and comps too: https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/status/36-diff-langpacks-comps.html
06:18:16 <JensPetersen[m]> Great
06:18:45 <paragan> Good
06:19:17 <tagoh[m]> I think some results may be expected thing because we intentionally dropped serif fonts for some languages. but others may not.
06:21:39 <tagoh[m]> Anyway, if you can have time to take a look at it a little and put a comment on the ticket as a feedback, that would be appreciated.
06:21:45 <paragan> we need to sync all these 3 places
06:22:47 <tagoh[m]> Eventually, yes.
06:24:09 <paragan> Ok anything else?
06:24:17 <tagoh[m]> there may be more fonts we may need to fix because more fonts packages might be behind font packages appears at the comparison table between langpacks and all.
06:25:12 <tagoh[m]> We may need to revisit updating table some  time perhaps.
06:25:27 <paragan> right
06:25:58 <tagoh[m]> That's it so far. thanks!
06:26:11 <paragan> tagoh[m], thank you for this update
06:26:15 <paragan> tagoh++
06:26:33 <paragan> next issue
06:26:41 <paragan> #info #167: Tracker for Fedora 37 Changes (pnemade)
06:26:41 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/167
06:27:56 <paragan> as noted in this issue description, let's collect Changes information in this issue and then close this and create new per Change issues
06:28:15 <JensPetersen[m]> Let's discuss potential System Wide Changes
06:28:34 <paragan> anyone already submitted or will be submitting Change for F37, add your Change link in this issue
06:29:37 <JensPetersen[m]> suanand: I think the gettext-runtime Change is (almost) ready?
06:29:57 <JensPetersen[m]> I have a number of ideas though time is getting short...
06:30:16 <JensPetersen[m]> - put langpacks-something in @fonts, etc
06:30:42 <JensPetersen[m]> - test Noto for Indic in Rawhide with an early Test Day
06:31:11 <JensPetersen[m]> What else is possible?
06:31:24 <JensPetersen[m]> - Adding more Noto default coverage
06:32:48 <paragan> anyone else have any plans for Change submission?
06:32:49 <JensPetersen[m]> Also any Self-Contained Changes?
06:33:18 <JensPetersen[m]> pwu: ibus-libpinyin?
06:33:33 <pwu> JensPetersen[m]: Yes
06:33:44 <pwu> I think I can write one change page for ibus-libpinyin.
06:33:56 <JensPetersen[m]> Good
06:35:16 <mfabian> Should I add one for “improvements in ibus-typing-booster”?
06:36:08 <JensPetersen[m]> mfabian: maybe a version number if it is not specific feature ?
06:36:54 <mfabian> Good idea maybe, I don’t have anything big, just many small improvements ...
06:39:53 <paragan> anything more to discuss here?
06:41:06 <paragan> let's move to next issue
06:41:14 <paragan> #info #168: Fedora 35 Bug triaging (pnemade)
06:41:14 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/168
06:42:01 <paragan> we got some bugs against F35 that we should triage and if needed fix in F35
06:42:10 <paragan> do have a look at it
06:42:20 <paragan> and triage accordingly
06:43:44 <paragan> moving to next topic
06:43:51 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:43:56 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:45:05 <paragan> if not then we can stop here :)
06:45:23 <paragan> thank you all who joined this meeting
06:45:27 <paragan> #endmeeting