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05:30:35 <suanand> #meetingname i18n
05:30:35 <suanand> #topic Roll call / Introductions
05:30:35 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2022-12-12
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05:30:54 <mfabian[m]> ☺
05:30:58 <tagoh[m]> hi
05:31:01 <JensPetersen[m]> hello
05:31:20 <paragan> Hi
05:31:25 <PengWu[m]> hi
05:32:01 <suanand> #chair mfabian[m] tagoh[m] JensPetersen[m] paragan PengWu[m]
05:32:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] PengWu[m] mfabian[m] paragan suanand tagoh[m]
05:32:10 <SudipShil[m]> hi
05:32:26 <suanand> #chair SudipShil[m]
05:32:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: JensPetersen[m] PengWu[m] SudipShil[m] mfabian[m] paragan suanand tagoh[m]
05:32:45 <suanand> taking a moment thanking you all of you for working so hard over the years building Fedora i18n mission. :)
05:32:56 <suanand> #info Fedora i18n makes technology accessible and attractive for users of every language.
05:32:56 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/34
05:33:41 <suanand> #topic Agenda
05:33:41 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N
05:33:41 <suanand> #info -- 1. Upcoming schedule / Announcements / Urgencies --
05:33:41 <suanand> #info -- 2. Action items from previous meeting --
05:33:41 <suanand> #info -- 3. Tickets --
05:33:42 <suanand> #info -- 4. Community / Events --
05:33:44 <suanand> #info -- 5. Open floor / Ideas / Proposals --
05:34:10 <suanand> #topic Upcoming schedule / Announcements / Urgencies
05:34:22 <suanand> #info Wed 2022-12-21 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes)
05:34:23 <suanand> #info Tue 2022-12-27 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
05:34:23 <suanand> #info Tue 2022-12-27 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:34:23 <suanand> #info Tue 2023-01-17 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:35:15 <suanand> I hope folks, change request proposals are ready by now ..
05:36:32 <JensPetersen[m]> We have a topic for Changes I think
05:36:50 <suanand> Yep.. let's jump to next topic ..
05:36:58 <suanand> #topic Action items from previous meeting
05:37:50 <suanand> skipping to next topic ...(no actions in the last meeting)
05:38:01 <suanand> #topic Tickets
05:38:23 <suanand> #info #175: Tracker for Fedora 38 Changes (pnemade)
05:38:24 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/175
05:38:36 <suanand> Please add the change wiki page links to the ticket.
05:39:23 <JensPetersen[m]> Peng Wu can you add yours?
05:39:46 <PengWu[m]> Sure
05:40:44 <suanand> Noto fonts changes as well?
05:41:11 <tagoh[m]> Not yet writing Changes. will add it shortly.
05:41:24 <suanand> sure tagoh[m] :)
05:43:18 <JensPetersen[m]> Any others we are not aware of?
05:43:19 <suanand> anything around ghc and unicode?
05:44:01 <JensPetersen[m]> Well there will be a ghc Change (in fact there already is, though I am planning to upgrade it to ghc-9.2)
05:44:34 <JensPetersen[m]> mfabian: do you think a Unicode 15 Change makes sense?
05:44:37 <suanand> thanks JensPetersen[m] ..
05:45:36 <mfabian[m]> Unicode 15 Change request for Fedora? Didn‘t we already finish the Unicode 15 change? Is there anything left?
05:46:01 <JensPetersen[m]> Well I guess it is a new feature for F38, but yeah not sure what is left right
05:46:22 <suanand> ah okay ...
05:46:37 <JensPetersen[m]> Dunno about ibus for example?
05:47:25 <suanand> fujiwara: anything to add ?
05:48:29 <suanand> okay let's discuss more on this off thread ... moving on to next ticket!
05:48:38 <suanand> #info #174: Noto package splitting (tagoh)
05:48:38 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/174
05:48:58 <suanand> tagoh[m] how things are going here?
05:49:08 <fujiwara> I'm still busy for other tasks and not sure about it.
05:49:47 <suanand> fujiwara: okay cool, thanks :)
05:51:23 <tagoh[m]> I may want to postpone it to f39+ perhaps. a tool isn't yet ready to support this task. we could try to pick up some base fonts to split and make it by hand though.
05:51:45 <suanand> hm, okay!
05:52:15 <suanand> tagoh[m]: maybe helpful to update the ticket as well ... thanks for the inputs!
05:52:48 <tagoh[m]> Right. will do it.
05:53:22 <suanand> tagoh[m]: Agree good to start splitting by hand first :)
05:54:01 <JensPetersen[m]> Yes
05:54:13 <JensPetersen[m]> Gradual approach sounds good
05:54:40 <suanand> okay.. looks we have some plans here - let's move to next ticket.
05:54:50 <suanand> #info #168: Fedora 35 Bug triaging (pnemade)
05:54:51 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/168
05:55:17 <suanand> hello paragan
05:55:26 <paragan> Hi
05:55:46 <paragan> Tomorrow is EOL
05:55:54 <paragan> for Fedora 35 release
05:56:03 <suanand> aha right
05:56:11 <paragan> good to triage remaining tickets today only
05:56:38 <suanand> anything on priority here? needs attention?
05:56:58 * suanand thinks around bugs
05:57:23 <paragan> not sure if anything remain important enough
05:57:59 * suanand looking for today's count
05:59:02 <suanand> 16 bugs, 3 with high severity ..
05:59:12 <suanand> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1690326
05:59:22 <suanand> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1832086
05:59:29 <suanand> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850832
06:00:22 <suanand> hi mfabian[m], how you think, how can we make progress here
06:01:02 <mfabian[m]> I have no idea, I could not fix that one.
06:01:52 <mfabian[m]> I'll retest and if it is still a problem I move it to f37.
06:02:48 <suanand> looks sound, thanks PengWu[m] for your efforts here :)
06:03:06 <suanand> #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/3404
06:03:56 <JensPetersen[m]> I closed my remaining bugs
06:04:33 <suanand> cool, make sense, thanks JensPetersen[m]!
06:05:25 <suanand> PengWu[m]: any inputs?
06:06:11 <PengWu[m]> suanand: I think Carlos writes another patch...
06:06:22 <suanand> ah okay!
06:06:35 <suanand> Is that merged?
06:06:55 * suanand looking for the patch link
06:07:39 <PengWu[m]> Let me check...
06:08:44 <PengWu[m]> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/4398
06:09:18 <JensPetersen[m]> mfabian: should 2013610 be moved to a newer release?
06:10:14 <suanand> okay cool, thanks PengWu[m]!
06:10:31 <JensPetersen[m]> and 1751061?
06:10:51 <PengWu[m]> suanand: thanks
06:11:21 <suanand> #info for rhbz#1850832 an another patch merged in upstream.
06:11:26 <suanand> #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/4398
06:11:47 <mfabian[m]> Checking 2013610again...
06:13:11 <JensPetersen[m]> thanks
06:13:15 * suanand thinks meanwhile mfabian[m] checks on the tickets, we can jump to next ticket
06:13:21 <suanand> anyways - let's discuss more on this off-thread, moving on to next ticket
06:13:24 <JensPetersen[m]> We should do our best to clean put the list today
06:13:31 <JensPetersen[m]> s/put/up
06:13:32 <suanand> Yep!
06:13:52 <suanand> #info #166: Review new fonts table (tagoh)
06:13:52 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/166
06:13:56 <JensPetersen[m]> Peng Wu I see two mouse bugs too
06:14:38 <suanand> tagoh[m] and paragan: thanks for making progress here! anything to add/update?
06:16:27 <tagoh[m]> I think we can close this one as review itself was done. we could open another one for the fix.
06:17:04 <tagoh[m]> I add a comment for that
06:18:18 <suanand> okay tagoh[m]. much appreciated :)
06:19:27 <suanand> let's hop to the next ticket
06:19:29 <suanand> #info #163: create a wiki page table of Emoji input support across desktop/toolkits (petersen)
06:19:29 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/163
06:19:42 <suanand> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Emoji_input
06:20:25 <PengWu[m]> Jens Petersen: The bugs for mutter and gnome-shell?
06:20:26 <suanand> Initial draft really looks good, JensPetersen[m] and mfabian[m]: any plans further?
06:20:36 <JensPetersen[m]> Peng Wu: right
06:21:13 <JensPetersen[m]> I need to find some time to sit down and go through our test results again
06:22:09 <PengWu[m]> Jens Petersen: I see
06:22:19 <JensPetersen[m]> Also would appreciate suggestions/inputs and of course contributions
06:23:38 <suanand> JensPetersen[m]: okay - please take your time :)
06:25:10 <suanand> #info #162: track Fonts component bugs (petersen)
06:25:11 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/162
06:26:11 <suanand> anything to discuss here, As https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10834 is closed, is anything left in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2119608 ?
06:27:07 <tagoh[m]> apparently no bugs added since last meeting. we can skip it.
06:27:12 <suanand> tagoh[m]: any plans for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908952 ?
06:27:28 <mfabian[m]> I moved https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2013610 to f37. Ibus-typing-booster has a workaround for this problem, but without that workaround the problem is still there.
06:27:40 <suanand> hm, okay cool tagoh[m]!
06:28:11 <JensPetersen[m]> mfabian: thanks!
06:28:36 <JensPetersen[m]> Should we move to rfe to distribution?
06:28:55 <tagoh[m]> maybe
06:31:43 <JensPetersen[m]> Are anyone interesting in doing the packaging?
06:31:49 <JensPetersen[m]> s/Are/Or/
06:31:53 <JensPetersen[m]> Or sorry
06:33:21 <JensPetersen[m]> I will move it then... it is still cc fonts-bugs
06:35:11 <suanand> moving on, to the next ticket..
06:35:29 <suanand> #info #159: use weak deps to install ibus immodules etc (petersen)
06:35:29 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/159
06:35:37 <suanand> aha, PR for gtk3 is also merged. thanks JensPetersen[m]! what's next?
06:36:39 <JensPetersen[m]> I think we can close unless any other ideas
06:37:16 <JensPetersen[m]> Okay I closed it now
06:37:42 <suanand> seems really good progress here - sure!
06:38:28 <suanand> #info #158: State of i18n and l10n in Workstation (petersen)
06:38:28 <suanand> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/158
06:38:37 <suanand> JensPetersen[m]: any plans to dissect the potential work items.
06:38:56 <JensPetersen[m]> Right, we should revisit
06:39:55 <JensPetersen[m]> Perhaps we could take a meeting for that next year
06:40:30 * suanand thinks for a creating a state tracker. to track i18n state for every fedora release (for WS, SilverBlue, Server, Spins, etc)
06:40:51 <suanand> Yea... we need broader plans
06:41:29 <suanand> #link https://petersen.fedorapeople.org/ws-i18n-202205.html#(1)
06:41:33 <JensPetersen[m]> aha
06:41:45 <suanand> thanks again for the presentation!
06:42:03 <JensPetersen[m]> Thanks
06:42:47 <suanand> no more Tickets in the pipeline, moving to the next topic
06:43:03 <suanand> #topic Community / Events
06:43:14 <suanand> #link https://badges.fedoraproject.org/leaderboard
06:43:15 <suanand> kudos to pnemade++ for consistently holding a spot in top 5 for the years!
06:43:15 <suanand> and congratulations to petersen++ for being there too :)
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06:43:53 <paragan> suanand, Thanks
06:45:18 <suanand> #link https://fosdem.org/2023/news/2022-11-13-call-for-presentations/
06:45:18 <suanand> Any plans for FOSDEM '23? Call for Participation is open!
06:45:23 <JensPetersen[m]> I think I have been neglecting to vote sometimes ;o)
06:47:38 <JensPetersen[m]> https://www.devconf.info/in/ seems around the corner
06:47:46 <JensPetersen[m]> 17-19 Dec
06:47:53 <suanand> mfabian[m], I guess you're closer to Brussels, still 8-9 hrs?
06:49:09 <suanand> JensPetersen[m]: it says 2020, am I looking at wrong place?
06:49:20 <mfabian[m]> Yes, I think it is about 8-9 hours by train.
06:49:35 <JensPetersen[m]> Oops
06:50:15 <JensPetersen[m]> (I was actually looking for devconf.cz but still to early I guess)
06:50:36 <suanand> mfabian[m]: okay! they have some Lightning talks too ..
06:51:16 <suanand> JensPetersen[m]: how was GNOME.Asia? any fedora talks?
06:51:21 <JensPetersen[m]> Gnome.Asia was small but nice event last weekend in KL
06:51:39 <JensPetersen[m]> No fedora talks, though some users
06:52:17 <suanand> aha, they might be interested in fedora talks too.. :)
06:52:20 <JensPetersen[m]> https://events.gnome.org/event/100/timetable/#all
06:52:42 <JensPetersen[m]> Ya there was quite a mixture of topics
06:52:50 <suanand> okay!
06:53:37 <JensPetersen[m]> I guess we are out of time?
06:54:13 <suanand> ah okay ...
06:54:17 <suanand> long meeting
06:54:26 <JensPetersen[m]> Good meeting :)
06:54:53 <suanand> #topic Open floor / Ideas / Proposals
06:55:14 * suanand had some proposals (may be good to discuss in next meeting)
06:55:27 <JensPetersen[m]> Sounds good
06:55:52 <suanand> anyone has anything to discuss?
06:56:20 <JensPetersen[m]> When is next meeting?
06:56:47 <suanand> 26th Dec
06:57:08 <JensPetersen[m]> Okay
06:57:35 <suanand> holiday at many places though ..
06:57:40 <JensPetersen[m]> Right
06:57:56 <JensPetersen[m]> Can see how
06:58:39 <suanand> Yep.. okay folks thanks for coming today, see you in the next meeting
06:59:38 <suanand> take care!
06:59:40 <suanand> #endmeeting