14:59:23 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-05-29
14:59:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 29 14:59:23 2012 UTC.  The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:59:26 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
14:59:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
14:59:31 <rdieter> #topic roll call
14:59:55 <rdieter> are ... you ... ready ... to rumble!!!  err, who's around today?
15:00:10 * ltinkl is present
15:00:24 * than is present
15:00:51 * jreznik is here
15:01:43 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:02:02 <rdieter> rnovacek: ping
15:02:13 * rnovacek is here
15:02:14 <rdieter> anyone else we should ping?  I'm sure to be forgetting someone
15:02:18 <rdieter> rnovacek: hi :)
15:02:24 <rnovacek> rdieter: hello
15:02:27 <jreznik> rnovacek: you are here and not here :)
15:02:33 <rdieter> #chair ltinkl  jreznik  Kevin_Kofler  rnovacek
15:02:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek
15:02:40 * jreznik sits now next to rnovacek
15:02:42 <rdieter> #info rdieter ltinkl jreznik Kevin_Kofler rnovacek present
15:02:53 <rnovacek> jreznik: I'm at home already
15:02:53 <rdieter> #topic f17 release, party!
15:03:06 <jreznik> yay!!!!
15:03:25 <rdieter> not much to say, except a big thanks to everyone who helped make a miracle
15:03:49 * jreznik had a glass of a sparkling wine one hour before with Fedora QA guys
15:04:10 <jreznik> yep, thanks everyone, there were a few hard to solve issues but we made it!
15:04:21 * rdieter at home today, will hold small grilling party for lunch
15:05:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, we made it!
15:05:45 <rdieter> woo, ok, moving on to meatier stuff... :)
15:05:57 <than> yep, big thanks!
15:05:57 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.8.80
15:06:03 <jreznik> rdieter: just replying on grill party offer :)
15:06:06 <jreznik> rdieter: enjoy!
15:06:22 <jreznik> ok, I've started with 4.8.80 during LinuxTag
15:06:45 <rdieter> impressed your net connection was good enough to pull that off
15:06:56 <jreznik> rdieter: on saturday morning :)
15:07:04 <jreznik> otherwise it was about 3 KB/s
15:07:24 <jreznik> first thing - soprano as usually
15:07:44 <jreznik> the latest 2.7.56 is needed for nepomuk-core
15:07:53 <jreznik> a new package - pls review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=826016
15:08:15 <jreznik> also the question which package should pull it in? kde-runtime? as most stuff moved from there?
15:08:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Won't it be pulled in by soname deps anyway?
15:08:49 <jreznik> there are also a few conflicts to be fixed in beta 2 - nepomuk-rcgen should stay in kdelibs
15:09:03 <rdieter> kde-runtime probably
15:09:06 <Kevin_Kofler> As for Soprano, it's a mess as usual: an unreleased, pre-beta Soprano is needed for a KDE SC beta. :-/
15:09:18 <Kevin_Kofler> And of course the bindings don't support the new version, fun!
15:09:28 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: and also beta bindings do not work with it
15:09:48 <rdieter> not much of a shock, pykde always breaks
15:10:20 <rdieter> and no reply from soprano devs about what to do about the removed/deprecated api
15:11:15 <rdieter> probably ought to file a bug on pykde upstream to track it (I'm not aware of any filed yet, but will do so later)
15:11:34 <rdieter> i think kdemm stuff is split in this release too, right?
15:11:49 * rdieter double-checks
15:11:54 <jreznik> yep
15:11:59 <jreznik> so a few more packages
15:12:15 <rdieter> pairs (new from kdeedu)
15:12:15 <jreznik> but now I'd ask for nepomuk-core package review :)
15:12:22 <jreznik> yep +pairs
15:12:25 <rdieter> I can do the review
15:12:28 <jreznik> upstream is asking for testing
15:12:30 <jreznik> rdieter: thx
15:13:06 <rdieter> I can help get to work on the kdemm stuff too later
15:13:21 <rdieter> anyone else with time/energy is welcome to join the effort
15:13:35 <jreznik> also there's call for testing - once we have a packages ready, we can ask our community http://community.kde.org/Getinvolved/Testing/Beta
15:14:01 <jreznik> rdieter: yep, I'll join you, just say on which packages you're working and we can swap reviews :)
15:14:18 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, I've noticed that the QA craze has now also infected KDE. How an upstream project wants to enforce "mandatory testing" is beyond me.
15:14:20 <rdieter> deal
15:14:42 <Kevin_Kofler> Testing is something you either get or don't get, you can't require it.
15:14:54 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: it's better to organize something semi-formal, rather then kde-packagers who end up doing it now
15:15:21 <rdieter> I didnt' get any impression that anything was mandatory or required
15:15:46 <jreznik> rdieter: yep
15:16:15 <jreznik> it's more like to ask people to do at least some testing (mostly packagers found out more build issues than other issues)
15:16:54 <Kevin_Kofler> IIRC, I've seen the word "mandatory" used at least once, but I guess the person who used it misspoke.
15:17:06 * jreznik thinks so
15:17:06 <Kevin_Kofler> (or maybe I misread or misremember)
15:17:36 <jreznik> it sounds more like asking for me... but maybe I misread it too :)))
15:18:19 <rdieter> I wouldn't worry too much, you're right of course, there's no way to impose anything mandatory at this point
15:18:53 <rdieter> let's focus on the good of it, that there's someone wanting to rally folks around testing things.
15:19:17 <rdieter> and do what we can to help and facilitate those efforts
15:19:53 <rdieter> anything else wrt 4.8.80?
15:19:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Right, and getting the stuff packaged is the main part of that. :-)
15:20:05 <rdieter> +1
15:20:36 <jreznik> more - let's continue with builds/new packages/reviews... and wait for upstream to get more info on bindings
15:21:20 <rdieter> #info let's continue with builds/new packages/reviews... and wait for upstream to get more info on bindings
15:22:45 <rdieter> #topic linuxtag report
15:22:58 <rdieter> jreznik: reminds me, how was linuxtag? do tell?
15:23:06 <jreznik> interesting topic :)
15:23:20 <jreznik> we gave away about 350 hot dogs :)
15:23:32 <jreznik> we even got to phoronix with it!
15:24:10 <jreznik> #link http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwNjU
15:25:11 * rdieter heard cwickert made quite a splash in the hotdog costume
15:25:24 <ltinkl> lol I saw the photo :D
15:25:30 <jreznik> also we had one machine running kde - it was tablet, so I've tried active but... our builds are quite old and new depends on nepomuk-core, so I'll try to rebuild once 4.9 is done :)
15:25:51 <jreznik> yep, sesivany even got food poisoned from beefy miracles :)
15:25:51 <ltinkl> a vegetarian in a hotdog costume, that's what I call dedication :D
15:25:58 <jreznik> ltinkl: :D
15:26:16 <jreznik> ltinkl: he's not strict, so he had one beefy miracle too
15:26:51 <jreznik> but it was very nice event, I talked to a lot of fedora kde users, with opensuse guys next to our booth (jos especially...)
15:27:16 <jreznik> free beer and free hot dog coop between our booths
15:29:01 <rdieter> jreznik: thanks
15:29:07 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:29:11 <rdieter> anything else for today?
15:29:11 <jreznik> is it all for today? I'll try to write also some short blogpost about what's new in F17
15:29:18 <jreznik> hint, hint for everyone :)
15:29:35 <Kevin_Kofler> Don't forget to mention my feature. :-)
15:29:55 <Kevin_Kofler> The beefy and miraculous Plasma dependency resolution. :-p
15:30:19 <jreznik> hmm, even someone filled the ticket with f17 screenshots, on spins there's still old....
15:30:27 <rdieter> your plasma dep scripts already highlighted how kwin is exporting a scriptengine internally, but doesn't really advertise it. :-/
15:30:50 <jreznik> actually spins still points to f16, wtf
15:31:14 <nirik> we are working on it. there was a problem building the spins site.
15:31:20 <nirik> hopefully updated in a bit her.e
15:31:37 <rdieter> nirik: thanks
15:31:54 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Yes, I've seen the commit. If the engine is only exported through C++ code and not a service file, it's kinda expected that the scripts don't auto-detect it.
15:32:09 <Kevin_Kofler> But I guess it's intentionally that they're doing it this way, because the engine is not intended to be used outside of KWin.
15:32:51 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm not sure reusing the Plasma scripting framework for that was a great idea, but whatever… it does reuse code, I presume.
15:32:58 <jreznik> nirik: ok, thanks
15:35:37 * rdieter will close meeting in another couple of minutes if there's nothing else
15:37:59 <jreznik> another topic
15:38:19 <Kevin_Kofler> Yes?
15:39:10 <jreznik> I saw rdieter built latest calligra, there was respin, so I uploaded it, but looks like the latest one was 2.4.2 - any specific reason why not 2.4.90 - I can do it otherwise for rawhide
15:39:31 <rdieter> I was going to get 2.4.2 done first, then work on 2.4.90
15:39:52 <rdieter> so, 2.4.90 on rawhide now is fine
15:40:01 <Kevin_Kofler> F17 should get 2.4.2, 2.4.90 is a beta, it's only for Rawhide.
15:40:08 <rdieter> I guess I still have l10n stuff too
15:41:07 <rdieter> jreznik: does that clear things up?
15:41:22 <G__81> hi everyone
15:42:50 * rdieter assumes yes, else we can sort it out after meeting. :)
15:42:57 <rdieter> thanks everyone!
15:43:01 <rdieter> #endmeeting