12:30:54 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare Committee - 2018-03-12 12:30:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Mar 12 12:30:54 2018 UTC. The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:30:55 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:30:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_mindshare_committee_-_2018-03-12' 12:30:56 <jwf> #meetingname mindshare 12:30:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 12:30:59 <jwf> #topic Roll call 12:31:02 <jwf> .hello jflory7 12:31:03 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 12:31:11 <bexelbie> .hello bex 12:31:12 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 12:31:15 <jwf> #chair bexelbie 12:31:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jwf 12:31:21 <jsmith> .hello2 12:31:22 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com> 12:31:34 <jwf> #chair jsmith 12:31:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf 12:32:28 <jwf> bexelbie: If you have bandwidth to drive, that would be awesome. I'm also on a support chat with LG… my phone bricked itself last night and trying to see if I can get it serviced or if I'm out of luck 12:32:47 <bexelbie> jwf, sure 12:32:55 <bexelbie> I'll give us a few moments for people to arrive 12:33:04 <bexelbie> I know mleonova[m] is around 12:33:05 <jwf> Sounds good to me :) 12:33:24 <bexelbie> nb @robyduck x3mboy ping 12:33:29 <bexelbie> robyduck, 12:33:31 * jwf waves to jsmith too 12:34:16 <mleonova> hi! 12:34:26 <bexelbie> o/ 12:34:51 <jsmith> jwb: Boot loop issue, or complete brick? 12:35:30 <jwf> #chair mleonova 12:35:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova 12:35:30 <bexelbie> ok, let's move forward and hope nb robyduck and x3mboy join us soon 12:35:39 <jwf> jsmith: Bootloop. :-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_smartphone_bootloop_issues 12:35:40 * bexelbie will ping them all on alternate chats - one moment 12:35:58 <nb> hi 12:36:06 <jwf> #chair nb 12:36:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb 12:36:34 <bexelbie> Given that we just had a FAD, I propose we look at our open issues as a way to drive this conversation 12:36:48 <bexelbie> this way we can also make sure we have issues for everything as we wanted that to be one of our information radiators 12:37:04 * jwf likes ticket-driven meetings 12:37:11 <bexelbie> #Tickets 12:37:12 <mleonova> sounds good 12:37:19 <bexelbie> #topic Tickets 12:37:23 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issues 12:37:33 <bexelbie> going in the arbitrary order of lowest number to highest number ... 12:37:44 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/7 12:37:48 <bexelbie> FAD Report 12:38:00 <bexelbie> iirc, x3mboy was going to write the first draft of this ... is my memory accurate? 12:38:21 <jwf> Yes. I think the first draft was targeted for this Friday. 12:38:33 <jsmith> That's what I remember 12:38:42 <jsmith> And I offered to help proofread, etc. 12:38:50 <bexelbie> ok, I am updating the meta data 12:39:25 <jwf> I'm also happy to help with proofreading 12:39:45 <bexelbie> #topic represenation research 12:39:47 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/6 12:39:54 * jwf waves to x3mboy 12:39:56 <bexelbie> jflory can you expand on this? you opened it 12:39:57 <x3mboy> .hello2 12:39:58 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 12:40:01 <jwf> #chair x3mboy 12:40:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb x3mboy 12:40:05 <x3mboy> bexelbie, o/ 12:40:07 <x3mboy> jwf, o/ 12:40:14 <bexelbie> x3mboy, can you confirm the update the https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/7 is accurate? 12:40:27 <x3mboy> bexelbie, on iy 12:40:35 <x3mboy> it* 12:40:53 <bexelbie> jflory can you expand on this? you opened it 12:41:00 <bexelbie> jwf, ^^ 12:41:01 <bexelbie> sorry 12:41:24 <jwf> bexelbie: Right. This one was about the discussion we had at the FAD around the Ambassadors. The idea was to do some research and see what other communities are doing with their community representation programs to add perspective for us 12:41:38 <jwf> This was something it felt like CommOps could help with 12:41:48 <jwf> Our meeting is not long after this one finishes, so I was going to bring it up then 12:41:52 <x3mboy> bexelbie, I'm compiling the info to write the draft between today and tomorrow 12:42:04 <bexelbie> ok. I don't see a ticket for the draft write up jsmith is doing, but I'd like to see that research used to inform that draft 12:42:08 <bexelbie> does that work for everyone? jsmith ? 12:42:32 <jsmith> WORKSFORME 12:42:40 <x3mboy> jsmith, o/ 12:42:57 <jwf> +1. Looking at a calendar to try to put down a deadline for this 12:43:13 <bexelbie> jwf, put the deadline relative to the jsmith doc when we get to it? 12:43:17 <bexelbie> s/?/./ 12:43:40 <bexelbie> anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to leave out opinions, but I suspect this is silence == assent 12:43:46 <jwf> Before or after the draft? I understood the deliverable for this ticket to be a bulletpoint list of other representation projects in the context of what we discussed. 12:43:58 <jwf> Not sure if it blocks on the draft or not 12:44:13 <bexelbie> jwf, it should inform the draft - so the draft is where this research should go - or in the subsequent conversation 12:44:18 <x3mboy> +1 12:44:22 <jwf> I was thinking Monday, March 26 as the deadline for this, so it would be in time for our meeting in two weeks 12:44:26 <bexelbie> jwf, I don't want to block moving the ambassadors conversation forward waiting on this research 12:44:30 <jwf> Agreed 12:44:40 <nb> +1 12:44:57 <bexelbie> ok, I've updated #6 and marked it blocked solely because another team is doing the work 12:45:07 * jwf nods 12:45:08 <bexelbie> #topic ambassadors code of conduct page 12:45:09 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/5 12:45:45 <bexelbie> jsmith, this looks like fodder for the draft. Should we close and make this information part of a draft ambassadors plan ticket? 12:46:21 <x3mboy> I have a question. Does this document need to be different than the "general" CoC? 12:46:36 <jsmith> bexelbie: Sounds reasonable -- but I'm a little anxious that adding a CoC discussion to the "ambassadors" discussion might sidetrack the conversation a bit 12:46:51 <jsmith> I'm wondering if we want to make a more conscious split of those topics... 12:47:04 <bexelbie> jsmith, I encourage you to pull in the components that make sense. Things like the CoC are being talked about project wide 12:47:13 <bexelbie> AIUI we hold our ambassadors to the same high standards as everyone else 12:47:22 <bexelbie> so there isn't really a need for a specific CoC conversation 12:47:22 <jsmith> bexelbie: Of course... I'll do my best :-) 12:47:34 <jwf> Perhaps we should change how we deliver this. I also think calling it CoC could be confusing 12:47:36 * bexelbie re-skims that wiki page 12:47:47 <jwf> I get jsmith's concern there too 12:47:56 <bexelbie> I believe the wording has become overloaded - the content is not a CoC in the traditional sense 12:48:01 <jwf> Right 12:48:08 <bexelbie> I encourage jsmith to adopt alternative wording 12:48:13 <x3mboy> I'm agreed, the Ambys convo will be hard, we need to try to leave as simple as possible 12:48:26 <x3mboy> leave it* 12:48:27 <bexelbie> jsmith, do you mind closing this ticket and opening and adding this link to an ambassadors plan draft ticket? 12:48:51 <jsmith> bexelbie: Happy to do it. 12:48:56 <bexelbie> thanks, we 12:49:05 <bexelbie> thanks, we'll circle back to that one in a few 12:49:10 <bexelbie> #topic Ambassadors REps 12:49:13 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/4 12:49:20 <bexelbie> I'd like to close this ticket with our decision from the FAD 12:49:42 <jsmith> +1 12:49:44 <jwf> +1 12:49:46 <bexelbie> IIRC, it is: The ambassadors specific seats will be held by the FAMA members, nb and robyduck until the ambassadors program conversation ends and the program can select reps 12:49:46 <x3mboy> +1 12:49:57 <mleonova> +1 12:49:59 <jwf> We should definitely get that context in the ticket before closing 12:50:16 <bexelbie> adding now 12:50:21 <jwf> \o/ 12:50:23 <bexelbie> nb opinion? 12:50:33 <bexelbie> #chair 12:50:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb x3mboy 12:51:02 <bexelbie> Also, can someone volunteer to update the wiki page to list both roles for those people? 12:51:37 <bexelbie> anyone? 12:51:51 <jwf> I can get the wiki page if someone wants to update the doc draft 12:51:52 <mleonova> I think someone did? 12:52:02 * bexelbie didn't look 12:52:03 <bexelbie> :D 12:52:07 <bexelbie> assigning to jwf 12:52:10 * jsmith can edit the wiki if nobody else volunteers 12:52:12 <bexelbie> nb last chance to comment 12:52:14 <mleonova> or I'm dreaming :) 12:52:18 <x3mboy> I can help if the deadline is a little more than a week 12:52:30 <jwf> Oh, I think mleonova is right? https://screenshots.firefox.com/M3wqEr3qtTDn3bF1/fedoraproject.org 12:52:34 <jwf> Looks done to me 12:52:38 <nb> sorry 12:52:39 * nb looks 12:52:41 <mleonova> \o/ 12:52:43 <nb> bexelbie, +1 12:52:46 <bexelbie> :) 12:52:51 <bexelbie> ticket updated 12:53:13 <bexelbie> #topic feature profiles 12:53:15 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/3 12:53:46 <bexelbie> I believe we should close this for now as we defined our messaging as the editions + objectives as our initial target 12:53:56 <bexelbie> I know we need to drill more, but I thought we wanted to start broad and then scope 12:54:03 <bexelbie> is this me dreaming or accurate? 12:54:10 * jwf reads ticket for context 12:54:52 <x3mboy> Can we put in "on hold"? 12:55:06 * jsmith is fine with "editions + objectives" for now 12:55:22 <bexelbie> x3mboy, while we can, I don't want to see us build up a backlog of on hold issues. What are we holding for? 12:55:42 <bexelbie> I think having a in one year do X calendar/list is more effective that accumulating tickets 12:55:43 <jwf> Hmm, yeah, I guess the editions + objectives are the feature profiles. But I also think closing this is throwing the strategy conversation back into Marketing 12:55:49 <bexelbie> I am open to alterantives though 12:55:50 <jsmith> I guess I'd rather highlight objectives, and how we're making progress on them... 12:55:50 <x3mboy> As I remember, doing targets/profile audiences is being a big conversation between Marketing and CommOps to make the message clear 12:56:09 <jwf> I think we need to offer more guidance on how to highlight and feature the profiles for editions + objectives 12:56:33 <x3mboy> Or am I confusing the discussion? 12:56:45 <bexelbie> Ok, so running with the on hold idea, I suggest we park this until we have the ambassadors conversation worked out - as I don't think we ahve the resources to do both effectively at the same time 12:57:01 <jwf> jsmith: Exactly. And that's what I think Mindshare should help with. This ticket is an old ticket in Marketing and I think it's slow to turn because it's a strategy question, not tactic / execution 12:57:42 <jsmith> bexelbie: +1 12:57:56 <jwf> bexelbie: I don't know if I agree. Maybe we don't need to address it right now, but I don't think it blocks on Ambassadors. Maybe x3mboy feels differently, but I think this is also holding Marketing back from doing their work. 12:58:11 <jwf> But I guess this is like the thing that came up before, we agree but for different reasons 12:58:33 <bexelbie> I agree it doesn't block ambassadors 12:58:53 <bexelbie> I am saying it is blocked because we have two strategic projects and one strategic project worth of time 12:58:54 <x3mboy> I'm agreed with the "no resources to work in both topics", that's why I suggest to on-hold 12:59:03 <bexelbie> nb, mleonova ? 12:59:42 <nb> I think I agree with bexelbie 12:59:46 <mleonova> bexelbie, what is the question? should we put this on hold? 12:59:50 <nb> we have defined our targets as the editions + objectibes 13:00:08 <x3mboy> But also I think it's a topic that can be discussed later. Our first focus should be the Ambys and the define the editions+objectives messaging 13:00:08 <bexelbie> mleonova, yes pending the completion of the ambassadors conversatin 13:00:08 <jwf> bexelbie x3mboy: I follow now. +1 to keep on hold and revisit later 13:00:20 <mleonova> ok, sure 13:00:25 <jsmith> -ENORESOURCES :-) 13:00:26 <bexelbie> Proposed: This is on hold while we finish the ambassadors conversation. This is not blocked by that conversation (nor does this block that conversation), we are just short of effort to do both items of work at once. 13:00:31 <jwf> jsmith: Hahahah, yeah 13:00:33 <bexelbie> I am not hearing any objections ... 13:00:36 <bexelbie> ?? 13:00:40 <jwf> bexelbie: Sounds like an #agreed to me :-) 13:00:42 <x3mboy> +1 13:00:44 <nb> +1 13:00:51 <jsmith> We might want a "needmoreresources" tag in Pagure :-) 13:00:51 <bexelbie> ok, updating ticket 13:01:54 <bexelbie> #topic swag vendor list 13:01:56 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/2 13:02:16 <bexelbie> I'd like to close this until we have a need given our desire to encourage more centralilzed planning for swag and less per event production 13:02:31 <bexelbie> also there seems to be a strong desire to focus our ambassador efforts on ambassador work, not swag production 13:02:39 <x3mboy> +1 13:02:48 <jwf> Yeah, I think this ticket precedes the larger Ambassadors discussion we had at the FAD 13:03:14 <jwf> Swag **vendors** isn't really the area we're aiming for now 13:03:36 <bexelbie> jwf, nb x3mboy mleonova jsmith ok to close? 13:03:40 <jwf> So, +1 to close and focus on larger Ambassador plan 13:03:41 <bexelbie> x3mboy, ahh, you voted 13:03:44 <jsmith> +1 13:03:44 <mleonova> sure! 13:03:55 <bexelbie> mleonova, please state your answer in the form of a number (just kidding!) 13:04:04 <mleonova> 5 13:04:12 <jwf> 42 :-) 13:04:15 <nb> sure 13:04:19 <nb> ok to close 13:04:20 <nb> +1 13:04:51 <bexelbie> ticket updated 13:04:59 <bexelbie> #topic readme 13:05:00 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/1 13:05:24 <bexelbie> I suggest we make this an easy fix task and see if we can get someone to port the important parts of the wiki page over or put in a link to a docs site page? 13:05:26 <bexelbie> wdyt? 13:05:37 <jsmith> That works for me 13:05:51 <jwf> I like the style of the Council README, to be more functional than informative. 13:05:56 <jsmith> Should be a five-minute job 13:06:04 <mleonova> bexelbie, I have to google half your acronyms :) 13:06:17 <x3mboy> I think I can do it as part of the draft for #7 13:06:19 <jwf> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/blob/master/f/README.md 13:06:21 <bexelbie> mleonova, sorry .. in all seriousness ask - you're not the only one 13:06:35 <robyduck> .hello robyduck 13:06:36 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com> 13:06:40 <bexelbie> I also make them up as I go and frequently make typos in small words so they look like acronyms 13:06:41 <x3mboy> robyduck, o/ 13:06:45 <bexelbie> #chair robyduck 13:06:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb robyduck x3mboy 13:06:46 * jwf waves to robyduck 13:06:58 <mleonova> bexelbie, nice :) 13:07:13 <mleonova> hi robyduck ! 13:07:19 <bexelbie> x3mboy, would you be opposed to letting it go as an easyfix for now .. and if you get it done before someone else that is great too? 13:07:23 * robyduck apologies 13:07:44 <bexelbie> nb, opinion? 13:08:17 <x3mboy> bexelbie, yes. I need to finish the draft this week, so the README can be part of this work. If it's not ready for next week, then go with the easifix 13:08:23 <x3mboy> wdyt? 13:08:43 <bexelbie> I can be ok with that x3mboy 13:08:44 * nb thinks easyfix is fine 13:08:51 * robyduck is ok with an easyfix 13:08:54 <bexelbie> proposed: x3mboy is assigned for one week. then easyfix 13:09:10 <bexelbie> anyone object to that? 13:09:15 <bexelbie> or are we wanting to go easyfix from today? 13:09:15 <x3mboy> mleonova, urban dictionary is your friend (for bexelbie acroyms) xD? 13:09:16 <jsmith> No objections from me 13:09:18 <x3mboy> +1 13:09:20 * bexelbie can be convinced both ways 13:09:28 <jsmith> mleonova: "wdyt" is "what do you think?" 13:09:40 <mleonova> jsmith, google thinks so too 13:09:56 <mleonova> x3mboy, it has nice examples, too :) 13:10:25 <bexelbie> ok, I am reading this as assent - nb is unlikely to object 13:10:32 <bexelbie> jsmith, did you open a draft amby ticket? 13:10:57 <jsmith> bexelbie: I did not, but I can. 13:11:04 <bexelbie> jsmith, please :) 13:11:09 <bexelbie> #topic Draft of Ambassadors Ideas 13:11:13 <bexelbie> link coming soon :) 13:11:23 <robyduck> lol 13:11:29 <x3mboy> lol 13:12:01 <bexelbie> my understanding is that jsmith has volunteered to lead the effort on drafting a proposal for conversation with the ambassadors. We wanted to get something our for adoption in the hopes of seeing the convesation end around Mid April for effect on May 1ish 13:12:18 <bexelbie> this is based on Mindshare being the end result of a multi-year effort by Ambassadors to reorganize 13:12:25 <jsmith> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/8 13:12:40 <bexelbie> we are going to fold in the useful parts of the page on ambassador conduct that mattdm highlighted 13:12:47 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/8 13:12:50 <robyduck> bexelbie: that's what we agreed on, right 13:12:53 <bexelbie> anyone want to add anything else? 13:12:58 <bexelbie> robyduck, aiui, yes 13:13:02 <bexelbie> do we want to put a date on this? 13:13:15 <jsmith> mleonova: Translating here -- ''aiui" == "as I understand it" 13:13:26 <mleonova> jsmith, thanks! 13:13:36 <bexelbie> jsmith, I could have been talking about aoli for bread :P 13:13:37 <bexelbie> j/k 13:13:40 <x3mboy> I think the deadline will depend on jsmith workload 13:13:51 <jwf> Mmmm 13:14:01 <bexelbie> exactly :D 13:14:02 <jwf> I have nothing else to add, this sounds in line to what we discussed at the FAD 13:14:04 * bexelbie looks at jsmith :) 13:14:07 <jsmith> I can get it done, no problem -- my only concern with timing is if we want it *after* x3mboy's report, and if so, how long after? 13:14:44 <jsmith> In other words, do we want to "prime the pump" with x3mboy's report, wait a few days (or a week?), and then send the email? 13:14:55 <bexelbie> jsmith, a week after is my suggestoin 13:15:08 <robyduck> at least one week after, but we are going also towards F28 Beta release, we should avoid crushing the release dates, IMHO 13:15:08 <jsmith> Perfect, I'm in 100% violent agreement then :-) 13:15:11 <bexelbie> so if we have that report out next week sometime then ideally the draft is ready for us to review by the end of next week? 13:15:17 <bexelbie> for publication the following week? 13:15:23 <jsmith> ACK :-) 13:15:24 <x3mboy> 1 week sounds reasonable, people will have enough time to read, comment and digest the information 13:15:30 <bexelbie> robyduck, this is bigger than new bits :P 13:16:11 <bexelbie> Sweet! 13:16:16 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor 13:16:25 <bexelbie> Anyone have anything new we want to bring up 13:16:38 <bexelbie> I want to personally say that the FAD was AMAZINGLY productive. THANK YOU!! 13:16:56 <mleonova> agreed :) 13:17:01 <bexelbie> Also, if you have receipts that are appropriate for reimbursing please email them to me directly bexelbie@redhat.com - I plan to pay things this week 13:17:20 <bexelbie> include your paypal address and currency preference if you don't use the USD normally and I'll see what I can do 13:17:34 <mleonova> I'm working on the alpaca badge and have the mindshare logo planned for near future 13:17:52 <mleonova> bexelbie, that reminds me about the train tickets.. 13:17:53 * jsmith wants to thank robyduck and bexelbie for all the hard work that went into organizing the FAD 13:18:00 <robyduck> what about the ticket for the announce ML? 13:18:04 <bexelbie> mleonova, do you mind opening a tracker ticket in our pagure for that ? 13:18:14 <robyduck> thanks you all for coming!!!! It was great 13:18:15 <nb> I need to look, I think I may not have given everyone the FAD badge yet 13:18:17 <mleonova> bexelbie, for what? 13:18:18 * nb will do that today 13:18:22 <jsmith> Thanks, nb 13:18:31 <bexelbie> mleonova, with the two design links in it so we remember the badges are in flight 13:18:52 <mleonova> oh, I can link them now 13:18:56 <bexelbie> robyduck, good call re: ML tickets 13:19:01 <bexelbie> can you open those and a tracker in our pagure for them? 13:19:12 <robyduck> yes, I can 13:19:24 <bexelbie> #action everyone to send receipts from the FAD to bexelbie@redhat.com with paypal address and currency preference where possible (not promised) 13:19:25 <robyduck> let me do something useful today 13:19:32 <mleonova> https://pagure.io/design/issue/580 13:19:34 <bexelbie> #action robyduck to open ML tickets for us and a tracker in our pagure 13:19:44 <bexelbie> #action mleonova to open a tracker ticket for our design tickets in our pagure 13:19:47 <bexelbie> did I miss anything? 13:19:59 <x3mboy> I don't have any receipt 13:20:02 <mleonova> bexelbie, yay more tickets 13:20:32 <jwf> bexelbie: For reimbursements, I filed private tickets in pagure.io/fedora-budget – is this okay? 13:20:42 <bexelbie> jwf, yes 13:21:04 <robyduck> bexelbie: just to remind me about them, we wanted just an announce list, right? Not more 13:21:50 <bexelbie> robyduck, iirc, yes 13:21:54 <robyduck> ok, fine, thx 13:22:00 <bexelbie> our mindshare@ will be like devel/council-discuss ... iirc 13:22:12 <bexelbie> iirc == If I Recall Correctly 13:22:35 <mleonova> bexelbie, 👍 13:23:00 <bexelbie> Anything for our last 8 min or should we take the gift of a collective 48 minutes back? 13:23:01 <bexelbie> #chair 13:23:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb robyduck x3mboy 13:23:07 <bexelbie> ooo 13:23:09 <bexelbie> 56 minutes 13:23:15 * jsmith has nothing further 13:23:27 * mleonova is good 13:23:37 * jwf es bueno 13:23:56 <bexelbie> nb? 13:24:10 <bexelbie> Closing in ~30 seconds 13:24:23 <robyduck> fine for today, we are already doing great things, that's awesome 13:24:40 <x3mboy> Awesome! 13:25:01 * nb has nothing further 13:25:03 <bexelbie> Thank you all 13:25:07 * nb just emailed receipts to bexelbie 13:25:11 <bexelbie> #endmeeting