17:30:17 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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17:30:17 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica
17:30:17 <riecatnor> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-mindshare
17:30:17 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
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17:30:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor tatica x3mboy
17:30:18 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
17:30:20 <riecatnor> ```
17:30:31 <riecatnor> nasirhm, doing ok this week :) how about you?
17:30:34 <nasirhm> .hello2
17:30:34 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1
17:30:34 <zodbot> nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' <nasirhussainm14@gmail.com>
17:30:37 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com>
17:30:39 <riecatnor> How is everyone doing?
17:30:55 <nasirhm> <riecatnor "nasirhm, doing ok this week :) h"> I'm doing good too, It rained here after so long. :)
17:30:59 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: you know ;) not too bad. actually some great things happened today. Pretty productive
17:31:04 <siddharthvipul> so all good, but sleepy :p
17:31:37 <x3mboy> Well, I have time to do Fedora stuff since the VPN of my office went down
17:31:45 <x3mboy> Not sure if it's tragic or funny
17:31:50 <riecatnor> nice nasirhm - it has been over 30 C for a couple weeks
17:31:56 <x3mboy> But I choose to laugh at it
17:31:58 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: we won't tell them ;) you can say it's fun haha
17:32:00 <riecatnor> lol x3mboy happy to have ya
17:32:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> It's fate?
17:32:37 <nasirhm> lol x3mboy 🤣
17:32:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> That was supposed to be an exclamation mark, grr
17:32:43 <x3mboy> @pbokoc, it looks like it is
17:32:58 <x3mboy> You know, phone keyboards
17:33:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> Yeah :)
17:33:28 <riecatnor> :P
17:34:00 <riecatnor> so, I was just looking at Mindshare repo, and there has been no activity on tickets since last week. We can take a look at some aging ones, but instead, first, I think open floor?
17:34:12 <bt0> sure
17:34:17 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
17:34:24 <riecatnor> whose got things :D
17:34:31 <x3mboy> I have a thing
17:34:31 <x3mboy> :D
17:34:34 <riecatnor> go for it!
17:34:42 <x3mboy> I always come when I have a thing
17:34:51 <x3mboy> :D
17:35:13 <siddharthvipul> hmm, I know a couple things waiting on me, I will get to them soon.. my PTO last friday didn't exactly go as planned (free time to work on extra stuff wise)
17:35:16 <x3mboy> Well, you have a Council video meeting proposal about the Ambassador's fate, Am I right?
17:36:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> I remember we mentioned that a few weeks back
17:36:47 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> On the first meeting I went to, so maybe a month :)
17:36:48 <riecatnor> Yes, I believe that will be in September
17:37:00 <riecatnor> next month is summer coding interns
17:37:10 <riecatnor> (right, siddharthvipul ?
17:37:23 * siddharthvipul nods with extreme nervousness
17:37:31 <riecatnor> lol
17:37:33 <x3mboy> Cool, do we have a consensus about what we are putting out?
17:37:50 <riecatnor> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings
17:38:10 <x3mboy> The proposal at https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/218 looks pretty good
17:38:19 <x3mboy> But is considered final?
17:38:53 <bt0> yes, no more comments since the last time
17:38:58 <riecatnor> So here I made a wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Revamp_2020
17:39:06 <x3mboy> Last comment was about a month ago
17:39:06 <riecatnor> that has the feedback incorporated
17:39:21 <x3mboy> So I consider myself satisfied with the results
17:39:26 <riecatnor> Myself as well :)
17:39:34 <riecatnor> should we +1 for the wiki version?
17:39:49 <bt0> yeah
17:40:05 <bt0> I think we already voted it but +1 again
17:40:15 <x3mboy> +1 to the +1 for the wiki version
17:40:22 <nasirhm> Thank you riecatnor for the wiki version :)
17:40:24 <bt0> :P
17:40:56 <siddharthvipul> +1
17:40:59 <siddharthvipul> for the wiki
17:41:20 <riecatnor> OK, so I am going to comment there that it is closed for feedback.
17:41:31 <x3mboy> @tatica we are summoning you!!!!
17:41:31 <siddharthvipul> yayy, it's a milestone :)
17:41:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> thx for the headsup!
17:41:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> moin all!
17:41:50 <x3mboy> I supossed to write @tatica 3 times in from of the mirror?
17:41:50 <riecatnor> heya tatica!
17:41:55 <x3mboy> Oh, there you are
17:41:57 <siddharthvipul> Tatica, hey, how have you been? long time!
17:42:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> still a bit sad, but all good
17:42:18 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> Hey Tatica
17:42:21 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> that would be hella fun
17:42:54 <siddharthvipul> sad? what's that. unacceptable! we should fix that
17:42:57 <riecatnor> Sending hugs, tatica!
17:43:52 <nasirhm> Virtual Hugs tatica, Everything ok ?
17:44:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I was afk since have 2 losts in our family the past 2 weeks
17:44:48 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> but, life continues
17:44:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> anyway, lets get to brighter topics
17:44:59 <siddharthvipul> :( so sorry
17:45:02 <bt0> Mis mejores deseos tatica, un abrazo desde aca
17:45:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> gracias! abrazo :***
17:45:14 <nasirhm> So sorry for the loses tatica. :'(
17:45:26 <x3mboy> @Tatica, oh! I didn't know that. My feelings, thoughts and prayers are with you
17:45:29 <riecatnor> Condolences, tatica <3
17:45:31 <x3mboy> <3
17:45:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> :** thx all
17:45:55 <siddharthvipul> je parle un peu le français, mais même
17:46:09 <siddharthvipul> same wished as bt0 but in french (just translation)
17:46:15 <riecatnor> So the first task will be to put together a task force
17:46:17 <siddharthvipul> also sorry french people if I ruined your language
17:46:21 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: right
17:46:46 <riecatnor> I had it chalked up to FAmSCo but that wasn't the preferred method
17:47:00 <x3mboy> I can't handle more stuff right now, but I support anyone that can volunteer themself
17:47:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <b​uredoRUNofthecyborg> I'm so sorry. I'm sure they're watching your life and achievements from a better place
17:47:03 <nasirhm> sonsil-e daehae joesonghabnida tatica :(
17:47:26 <riecatnor> So my thought is, write the ambassador, mindshare, and announce mailing lists to call for volunteers
17:47:31 <riecatnor> thoughts?
17:47:39 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: +1
17:47:43 <siddharthvipul> are we doing the election thing?
17:47:56 <nasirhm> riecatnor++
17:47:57 <riecatnor> Please remind me what you are talking about siddharthvipul
17:48:12 <siddharthvipul> taskforce selection
17:48:27 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: ^
17:49:00 <riecatnor> so, I would prefer to use volunteers for this... mostly bc there is plenty of work to coordinate and do. Is that a bad idea?
17:49:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I'm up for any task you want to have for me. I will take some days next week to move to a new location, but otherwise, I'm up
17:49:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> hope no new things come up on my side that keep me up from helping :)
17:49:32 <riecatnor> Sounds like we have our first volunteer ;)
17:50:06 <nasirhm> I'm also up for the tasks :)
17:50:24 <siddharthvipul> hmm, volunteers are great but..
17:50:28 <riecatnor> gotta run afk real quick.. One thing is potentially having a "point" person for the task force, someone who is organizing
17:50:33 <siddharthvipul> well, I will think once more before saying
17:50:36 <siddharthvipul> so sure
17:50:48 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: can I nominate Sumantro?
17:50:56 <siddharthvipul> well, of course if he agrees
17:51:00 <siddharthvipul> I haven't asked him :p
17:53:31 <riecatnor> ok, back
17:54:03 <riecatnor> do other people have thoughts about election versus volunteer for the task force?
17:54:21 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: another idea I can think is appoint a replacement for robyduck and assign them as task force contact (sounds like general or commander) haha
17:54:48 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: do you think we need a criteria to be a part of the task force?
17:55:04 <siddharthvipul> to avoid just `interested` comments and people to think before applying?
17:55:15 <riecatnor> I am torn. I am concerned that some negative energy could get elected onto that force.. on the other hand, I guess folks with negative energy could volunteer as well
17:55:22 <siddharthvipul> we don't want yet another wrong stats of people on hand to work
17:55:22 <riecatnor> but they would feel less empowered to be negative
17:56:02 <riecatnor> is Sumantro here today? guesssing no
17:56:18 <siddharthvipul> I am also fine with people applying in private ticket to mindshare and we vote them? lazy consensus? (of course I am not sure what kind of fire that will bring though)
17:56:31 <x3mboy> I think a mix
17:56:56 <x3mboy> Elected "focal person"
17:57:05 <x3mboy> Volunteer task force
17:57:38 <nasirhm> x3mboy++
17:57:40 <riecatnor> another issue with elections for me is folks may go for that, but not actually have the time for that
17:57:41 <x3mboy> wdyt?
17:58:13 <riecatnor> for example, siddharthvipul's suggestion of sumantro makes a lot of sense to me, since he is now off council and mindshare, he has time.. I mentioned it to him briefly
17:58:19 <nasirhm> For the focal person, it would be great if someone from the current mindshare team (if has the capacity) can volunteer for it.
17:58:38 <riecatnor> well, nasirhm, I plan to be a part of that team. I can not be the lead tho
17:59:11 <riecatnor> (so there is a mindshare point already to be there :)
17:59:44 <riecatnor> I think we have been elected, and can therefore appoint people as we see fit for a temporary task force
17:59:46 <nasirhm> for sumantro, It's obviously ++ as he've previously been here and in the council, he seems a great fit (if he would like to volunteer for it.)
17:59:48 <riecatnor> (well some of us)
18:00:09 <riecatnor> :p not me, y'all are stuck with me lol
18:00:17 <x3mboy> LOL
18:01:23 <riecatnor> .members mindshare
18:01:24 <zodbot> riecatnor: Members of mindshare: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc @riecatnor siddharthvipul1 tatica x3mboy
18:01:44 <riecatnor> As mindshare committee, do you believe we can appoint a lead for the temporary ambassador/commops task force?
18:01:55 <x3mboy> Yes
18:01:58 <bt0> Me
18:01:59 <x3mboy> I mean
18:02:00 <x3mboy> +1
18:02:06 <bt0> +1
18:02:31 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: we definitely can.. if folks here don't have bandwidth, we can elect one for this role (I know I am repeating, but we have a stale seat)
18:03:11 <riecatnor> iirc, Sumantro was to have a discussion with robyduck
18:03:34 <riecatnor> I think having the lead be temporarily on mindshare, makes sense, but I also don't want to tax them. I can be the one to report
18:03:59 <riecatnor> That stale seat is being addressed in the ambassador/commops revamp, siddharthvipul :)
18:04:16 <siddharthvipul> i see :)
18:04:18 <siddharthvipul> fair
18:04:32 <siddharthvipul> I don't really have any strong points to make, so just speaking what comes to my head
18:04:39 <riecatnor> #agreed Mindshare chooses to appoint a lead for temp task force re: ambassador/commops revamp
18:04:58 <riecatnor> Any other nominations for leads beyond Sumantro?
18:05:11 <riecatnor> I think of Mariana B
18:05:36 <x3mboy> Mariana B could be awesome
18:05:40 <x3mboy> Maybe Bee?
18:05:43 <nasirhm> I can think of jona or jwf (if they would like)
18:05:49 <x3mboy> Is she still around?
18:05:52 <riecatnor> Bee, I think is focusing on school these days
18:05:53 <siddharthvipul> mariana is awesome.. does she have time (she hates me though) lol jk of course
18:06:12 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: they already have a lot on their plate
18:06:16 <riecatnor> Jona, is around, yes. She is working rn to revitalize D&I and I don't want to distract her from that
18:06:18 <siddharthvipul> and trust me.. a lot
18:06:34 <x3mboy> Well, afaik bot jonatoni and jwf are super busy
18:06:50 <riecatnor> and jwf began a new job, I spoke with him, he is willing to help when he can
18:07:04 <x3mboy> But if they appoint themselves I'm +1 to any of them
18:07:13 <riecatnor> co-leads could also be a thing
18:07:17 <siddharthvipul> same, can't go wrong with anyone of these people
18:07:19 <x3mboy> Also, alciregi could be a great addition in that team
18:07:22 <nasirhm> Hmm, Mariana B is awesome :)
18:07:23 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: even better
18:08:14 <riecatnor> I think to open a private mindshare ticket to discuss that? or public could be fine as well. Just want those folks to have a chance to say without fear of reproach what their actual time availability/feelings are about it
18:08:42 <riecatnor> Or, another would be an email from me, copying mindshare team to each
18:09:21 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: I am inclined towards the ticket (for future tracking purposes)
18:09:28 <x3mboy> In aras of the openness we are trying to pull out, we should make it public
18:10:09 <riecatnor> ok, fine by me.. everyone else ok with this?
18:10:16 <bt0> +1 too
18:10:16 <siddharthvipul> yeah
18:10:23 <riecatnor> hold while I open the ticket
18:10:23 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> Sounds good
18:11:06 <riecatnor> Can we track volunteers in the same ticket?
18:11:57 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: I would recommend it to be less friction'ed
18:12:02 <siddharthvipul> can we have a separate ticket?
18:12:17 <riecatnor> two tickets are fine
18:13:01 <siddharthvipul> would be good if we can have the leads first and then they do the call for volunteers (although depends on how much time first takes)
18:13:03 <nasirhm> 2 tickets sounds good.
18:13:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> Two sounds better, otherwise we might miss someone if there are a lot of comments
18:14:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> +1 for 2
18:14:44 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/226
18:14:55 <riecatnor> here is the first
18:14:58 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/226
18:16:57 <riecatnor> I asked for input from Sumantro, Bee, Mariana, Alessio
18:17:52 <nb> hi
18:18:06 <nasirhm> nb: Hey o/
18:18:47 <x3mboy> nb, o/
18:18:52 <x3mboy> nb, how are you?
18:19:35 <riecatnor> heya nb!
18:19:49 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/227
18:20:00 * nb is kinda busy, but good
18:20:12 <nb> we moved most of our login systems at work to Okta today
18:20:12 <riecatnor> For #227, should we send that out to a couple lists?
18:20:54 <riecatnor> nb, sounds busy!
18:21:25 <nasirhm> <riecatnor "For #227, should we send that ou"> Sounds good, that would help us to spread the news about it. :)
18:23:13 <riecatnor> Announce, mindshare, ambassador lists. Someone should drop these into telegram
18:23:21 <riecatnor> wait.. drop the *one* for the volunteers
18:23:24 <riecatnor> not both.
18:23:42 <riecatnor> Comm blog post?
18:23:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <p​bokoc> riecantor, can you please link each ticket in the other one? Something like "see #227 if you're interested" for 226, and "see #226 for info" for 227
18:24:05 <riecatnor> makes sense, sure pbokoc
18:24:41 <x3mboy> Cross linked
18:24:44 <nasirhm> ++ for comm blog's post.
18:24:53 <x3mboy> CommBlog post, for sure
18:25:13 <riecatnor> Any volunteers to write a commblog post?
18:25:47 <nasirhm> me would like to write it.
18:26:02 <nasirhm> oops, missed the `/`*
18:26:41 <riecatnor> ok, nasirhm, thanks!
18:27:12 <nasirhm> Welcome :)
18:27:17 <riecatnor> Would you like to send a link here for us to review when it is drafted?
18:28:10 <nasirhm> Sure, would send the draft once it's ready.
18:30:35 <riecatnor> Thanks!
18:30:41 <riecatnor> I will write the emails up for the mailing lists
18:30:55 <nasirhm> Awesome :)
18:31:11 <riecatnor> Volunteer to drop the link into telegram with a nice note?
18:32:25 <riecatnor> I can do that too :)
18:32:58 <riecatnor> How do we want to timebox this?
18:33:22 <bt0> sure
18:33:29 <bt0> one week
18:33:30 <riecatnor> (oh gosh, just realized we are out of time)
18:33:31 <x3mboy> I think we passed the meeting time
18:33:36 <x3mboy> One week
18:33:47 <bt0> sounds acceptable
18:33:51 <riecatnor> I think two weeks to gather volunteers
18:33:59 <riecatnor> people don't always get to their email
18:34:07 <riecatnor> or might want to think about that
18:34:15 <x3mboy> Ok, +1 to 2 weeks
18:34:21 <riecatnor> let's be sure to check in next meeting
18:34:23 <nasirhm> One week for the announcements and then 2 weeks to wait for people to step up. Sounds good to me.
18:34:43 <riecatnor> I am going to get the notices out to the ML and telegram asap
18:34:54 <riecatnor> nasirhm, a week is a good timeline for the commblog post tho :)
18:35:12 <riecatnor> okkkk thanks everyone!!!
18:35:25 <riecatnor> thanks x3mboy for bringing up the topic, clearly there was a lot to say and do :D
18:35:32 <riecatnor> #endmeeting