18:00:37 <lorip> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 2 18:00:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon May 21 18:00:37 2018 UTC. 18:00:37 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:00:37 <zodbot> The chair is lorip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:37 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_meeting_2' 18:00:51 <lorip> #chair stoney 18:00:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: lorip stoney 18:00:58 <stoney> wuhoo! 18:01:07 <stoney> hi all! 18:01:25 <lorip> our agenda is posted at: 18:01:29 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 18:01:38 <jfoster> Greetings from Walla Walla! 18:01:39 <stoney> thanks lorip ! 18:01:41 <lorip> #topic roll call 18:02:03 <lorip> Let's begin by getting a list of who is participating. 18:02:10 <jfoster> James Foster 18:02:12 <lorip> Please reply with a #info your name, your institution. For example: 18:02:18 <stoney> wow... Walla Walla! 18:02:25 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College 18:02:28 <stoney> me checking out photos of Walla Walla 18:02:32 <lorip> Let's go through the list alphabetically by nick. 18:02:36 <glikins[m]> #info Gina Likins Red Hat 18:02:38 <chrismurphy> #info Chris Murphy, Univ of Pennsylvania 18:02:41 <jfoster> #info James Foster, Walla Walla University 18:02:42 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University 18:02:45 <glikins[m]> (oops sorry - jumped in) 18:02:59 <lorip> heidiellis - you available? 18:03:07 <lorip> hislopg? 18:03:19 <matt_magnu1> #info Matt Magnusson, University of New Hampshire 18:03:29 <stoney> Good sized group here! 18:03:33 <kussmaul> #info Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College 18:03:33 <Lin__> #info Lin Deng, Towson University 18:03:42 <lorip> dfrank15 welcome - we are doing introductions, please tell us your name and institution 18:03:58 <dfrank15> #info D. Michael Franklin, Kennesaw State University, Marietta, GA, USA 18:04:06 <lorip> thanks! 18:04:27 <lorip> ok, that was way too fast for me to process - did everyone introduce themselves? 18:04:41 <dferebee> No 18:05:08 <lorip> dferebee - please introduce yourself with name and institution starting with the info tag 18:05:13 <hislopg> Hi all! I'm in a meeting and just lurking... 18:05:19 <dferebee> #info Hi, I am Denise Ferebee 18:05:31 <lorip> hislopg - can you do a quick intro? 18:05:43 <lorip> hi Denise - what institution are you from? 18:06:00 <dferebee> #info of LeMoyne-Owen College 18:06:21 <lorip> is that everyone? 18:06:31 <hislopg> I'm one of the POSSE team... and on the faculty at Drexel 18:07:10 <stoney> just assume anyone who didn't info up will just be lurking? 18:07:25 <lorip> welcome and thanks for joining us today! there are several team members on today's IRC - chrismurphy, glikins, hislopg, kussmaul, stoney and myself 18:07:46 <lorip> so don't be surprised if you get us jumping it at different times :) 18:07:50 <stoney> that means you'll get all your questions answered!!! 18:08:09 <glikins[m]> such optimism, stoney! 18:08:14 <stoney> :) 18:08:19 <lorip> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities 18:08:32 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities has the overview of Stage 1 18:08:40 <lorip> How are the stage 1 activities going for everyone? 18:09:14 <jfoster> I’ve completed Part A and 1 of Part B. 18:09:35 <lorip> jfoster - that's great! any questions? 18:09:36 <dferebee> I am trying to find my github username because I have not used it in a while 18:09:53 <matt_magnu1> Completed part A, it was interesting, I liked the IRC and wiki work 18:10:13 <lorip> dferebee - does that mean you have already started part C?! 18:10:22 <Lin__> Just get started to Part B, it is our final week, so I am a little bit slow these days 18:10:50 <lorip> Lin_ totally understand, try to get caught up once finals are done :) 18:11:17 <stoney> dferebee did you use any part of your name? ... if so, any of these you? https://github.com/search?q=ferebee&type=Users 18:11:21 <Lin__> Yep, thanks, Lori! 18:11:40 <lorip> as you work on the activities, please remember to log your progress in the google sheet 18:11:52 <dferebee> Bathtub 18:11:55 <lorip> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hG45B8aK4A7JaSDx4PE3UvXQNMw6Ph-iE53YqvMOrWQ/edit#gid=0 18:12:08 <dferebee> Github stuff is in part b 18:12:08 <lorip> bathtub? 18:12:31 <dferebee> Autocorrect is in rare form 18:12:57 <lorip> oh - I assumed you were talking about C.2 the intro to github activity - oops... 18:13:37 <lorip> any questions, comments on Stage 1? 18:13:40 <stoney> I thought that was your github handle... which I thought was quite creative! :) 18:14:53 <lorip> ok, I'm move on then - if you have questions please feel free to ask at any time! 18:15:05 <lorip> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS 18:15:15 <lorip> Has anyone picked a course where you plan to try HFOSS activities? 18:15:30 <stoney> me is gearing up for a capstone in spring! 18:15:43 * glikins[m] is "lintqueen" on GitHub, BTW 18:15:55 <stoney> awesome! 18:16:00 <lorip> stoney - can you tell us a bit about your capstone? 18:16:03 <matt_magnu1> I teach intro level CS1/CS2. Still trying to think about what might be the best way to bring into the courses 18:16:20 <glikins[m]> stoney: did you *slash* me for your capstone comment? 18:16:32 <stoney> sure... it will be similar to what I did a couple of years ago... 18:16:39 <stoney> (no I forgot the slash) 18:16:59 <jfoster> WWU has a first-year class “Art and Practice of Computer Science” where we give a roadmap of the future, including a requirement of a GitHub account and making a token contribution (typically documentation or bug report). 18:17:01 <stoney> (but then it sounded kind of caveman like... so I left it) 18:17:38 <lorip> matt_magnu1 - my colleage darci & I also teach the intro sequence - we've been struggling with how to incorporate HFOSS at that level and would be happy to talk to you in Phili about our efforts! 18:17:41 <glikins[m]> ROTFLOL! 18:17:55 <matt_magnu1> sounds great, thanks 18:17:59 <Lin__> I am teaching software engineering at senior level, also trying to find a way to bring into the course. 18:18:00 <jfoster> WWU also encourages contribution to open source in the senior project. 18:18:00 <stoney> in my capstone, students will work on an HFOSS project... most likely mozilla devtools at the moment 18:18:02 <lorip> jfoster - sounds cool! 18:18:26 <lorip> and I'm trying to catch up on the stoney-glikins commentary... 18:19:07 <stoney> we'll use scrum and they will be graded based on public interactions with their team and the project 18:19:32 <lorip> dferebee and dfrank15 what courses will you be teaching/targeting? 18:19:32 <stoney> jfoster I like the sound of that course! 18:20:05 <dfrank15> I have a database course and an AI course...both need to be redone. 18:20:19 <stoney> jfoster the Art and Practice one (the other sounds cool too, but I would like to hear more about the Art and Practice one) 18:20:22 <dfrank15> We are teaching them without a text book this semester. 18:20:42 <lorip> database could be really interesting - stoney, do you know if anyone has integrated into database yet? 18:21:27 <stoney> I don't... but off the top of my head, a project like OpenMRS or Ushahidi might work 18:21:51 <lorip> I was thinking OpenMRS but also maybe open food facts 18:21:51 <jfoster> The “Art and Practice” is basically “here is what programmers do and here are some things you can do to get there.” I’ve had half a dozen guest speakers; we have someone from the counseling center come talk about personality types, resumes, and internships; we require them to get a LinkedIn account, a GitHub account, and start building a portfolio. The goal is that in 3 years they will look like credible candidates for a job. 18:22:08 <stoney> heidi has taught our DB course before, she might have some more good ideas 18:22:30 <lorip> jfoster - I'd love to see your syllabus sometime - that sounds like a great intro course 18:22:49 <lorip> dferebee - what class do you hope to use HFOSS in? 18:22:53 <matt_magnu1> jfoster I like the idea of a structured way to build credentials for job search into program 18:23:01 <glikins[m]> foster: is art and practice meant to entice ppl to CS? 18:23:03 <dfrank15> thanks for the suggestions, I will have to check those out. 18:23:53 <stoney> I ran across a github tutorial where you are working on a resume.... 18:23:58 * stoney digging around 18:24:29 <jfoster> The Art and Practice has been fun. It is a requirement for CS, but no one else seems interested. Many of the departments/schools have something comperable. We also cover current issues (security, privacy, regulation, net neutrality, criminal hacking, etc.). 18:25:04 <lorip> other thoughts or should I move on? 18:25:25 <stoney> sure 18:25:30 <stoney> (can't find the link) 18:25:57 <lorip> #topic Questions about POSSE Stage 2 Activities 18:26:09 <lorip> We have a draft agenda for Stage 2. It will be updated, but it will give you an idea of the face-to-face workshop. 18:26:38 <stoney> lorip are the times on that agenda reasonably accurate... in particular the start time on the 18th? 18:26:39 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities for the Stage 2 DRAFT agenda 18:27:27 <jfoster> Art and Practice syllabus at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-upTksZA4Da5FjMm0D11RD2Bk_ZiXegj?usp=sharing 18:27:33 <lorip> it is based off our last POSSE so it should give you an idea of what to expect in June 18:28:01 <lorip> thanks jfoster! 18:28:20 <lorip> what questions do you have about our face-to-face workshop at Drexel? 18:29:35 <lorip> stoney - yes the start and end times are accurate 18:30:16 <stoney> sweet! 18:30:18 <lorip> other questions? 18:30:55 * stoney needs to figure out how he is getting to POSSE 18:31:08 * lorip am I going too quickly or too slowly? I never can tell if I'm pacing correctly on IRC :) 18:32:16 <stoney> works for me :) 18:32:44 <dfrank15> fine with me... 18:33:02 <lorip> ok, I'm guessing no one has questions about Stage 2 at the moment, if you think of one, feel free to chime in 18:33:04 <Lin__> works for me, too. I have no questions, just looking forward to meeting everyone :-) 18:33:05 <lorip> moving on... 18:33:21 <lorip> #topic Signing up for Stage 2 project and course groups 18:33:30 <lorip> At the stage 2 workshop we have time to work in small groups. To start to organize groups, we ask that you sign up for both a course as well as an HFOSS project that interest you. 18:33:54 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups is the page to indicate your course and project interest 18:34:19 <lorip> we've organized the page with the projects at the top and the courses at the bottom 18:34:50 <dfrank15> we should do that now, or ASAP? 18:35:18 <Lin__> One course and one project, no more? 18:35:22 <lorip> either is fine - I've just put myself under a project 18:35:40 <lorip> if you aren't ready yet that is fine - you may need some time to think about it 18:36:38 <matt_magnu1> On the groups, I was interested in the educational technology projects, but those aren't listed, are these just meant to be sample projects we work through as a group? 18:37:07 <lorip> matt_magnu1 - what project(s) did you have in mind? 18:37:35 <matt_magnu1> I think the edx one is interesting and might be of interest to students, or canvas 18:37:43 <lorip> the list of project are ones we are familiar with, but we are always interested in learning about new one 18:38:21 <lorip> I'm not sure either of those would be considered humanitarian - I'd have to do some look at them to know if they fit the H in HFOSS 18:38:38 <matt_magnu1> I thought those were on the list? 18:38:45 <lorip> what list? 18:38:46 <jfoster> Projects that are listed as “less likely” should be avoided? 18:39:26 <lorip> not necessarily jfoster, those are ones that some of us have had previous experience with but may not be currently using in class 18:40:23 * lorip looking for the list that matt is referring to... 18:41:30 <matt_magnu1> http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects 18:41:44 <matt_magnu1> I thought it had edx, but canvas is on it 18:42:10 <matt_magnu1> also moodel 18:42:46 <lorip> thanks for the link... 18:43:52 <lorip> hislopg - you available to chime in on canvas, edx or moodle as potential projects? 18:44:22 <hislopg> of those, I'd think Moodle would be most likely. 18:44:59 <hislopg> I wasn't aware that Edx even was FOSS as a platform - so no comment there, but I'd be cautious about the control of the project 18:45:15 <lorip> matt_magnu1 - let me bring this up at our next team meeting to see about adding one of those to the list 18:45:48 <matt_magnu1> sounds great thanks 18:46:13 <dferebee> Lori- 18:46:30 <lorip> yes 18:46:35 <dferebee> Lorip - I had to let the dog out 18:46:52 <dferebee> He was having a fit 18:47:00 <lorip> no problem - welcome back 18:47:42 <lorip> what else? 18:49:26 <hislopg> Browsing the Open Edx project and I realize that I have looked at this before... might be reasonable! 18:50:04 <lorip> a couple of house keeping things - you should have received an invite to a google group - if not, please let stoney know 18:50:12 <glikins[m]> hislopg: for OpenEdX -- one of my former teammates is now their community manager 18:50:21 <glikins[m]> so if that's interesting I can do intros etc 18:50:40 <lorip> greg sent out an email today about letting us know your travel plans - please take a look at that if you haven't already 18:51:14 <dfrank15> is there a link to that? 18:51:23 <lorip> link to what? 18:51:32 <dfrank15> travel plans... 18:51:45 <jfoster> Travel plans at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r4gMu4uDE57nbM2iHSaWn5UXpaHWhyf_ddBL5Qm1qBg/edit#gid=0 18:52:19 <lorip> thanks jfoster 18:52:40 <dfrank15> thx 18:52:48 <lorip> we are getting close to the 1 hour mark - any additional questions/comments/thoughts? 18:53:57 <dfrank15> fine here...thx 18:54:03 <lorip> ok then, thanks so much for joining us today - there will be one more IRC before we meet at Drexel - good luck to those of you finishing up semesters/terms! 18:54:19 <Lin__> Thanks! 18:54:27 <lorip> and don't hesitate to contact any of us if you have questions :) 18:54:43 <stoney> wuhoo! 18:54:52 <lorip> I'm going to officially end the meeting now and the logs will be posted 18:54:53 <lorip> #endmeeting