16:35:59 <dgilmore> #startmeeting RELENG (2015-03-30)
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16:36:05 <dgilmore> #meetingname releng
16:36:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'releng'
16:36:05 <dgilmore> #chair dgilmore nirik tyll sharkcz bochecha masta pbrobinson pingou
16:36:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: bochecha dgilmore masta nirik pbrobinson pingou sharkcz tyll
16:36:05 <dgilmore> #topic init process
16:36:28 * sharkcz is here
16:36:38 * nirik is here.
16:37:05 * threebean is here
16:38:05 <threebean> actually, gotta take my partner to work real quick.  will brb.
16:38:57 <dgilmore> #topic #5967 Enable source repo generation
16:39:03 <dgilmore> lets get moving
16:39:08 <dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5967
16:39:26 <dgilmore> so this is something I just plain do not want to enable
16:39:36 <dgilmore> the cost of teh extra arch is high
16:39:46 <dgilmore> and it does not give any benefit
16:40:18 <dgilmore> can anyone think of a compelling reason to enable it
16:41:05 <dgilmore> I think there is enough possibility of variance that we gain nothing
16:41:26 <dgilmore> does anyone have any opinion?
16:42:41 <nirik> well, this is for Koschei right?
16:43:36 * nirik looks for the ticket link
16:44:58 <nirik> so, this would make srpms for every arch? or ?
16:45:50 <nirik> mizdebsk: you around?
16:46:33 <nirik> I'd like to hear some of the other possible uses mentioned... not sure I can think of many/any. ;)
16:48:05 <nirik> so, I'd say punt this until mizdebsk can be around, and/or ask for more uses in ticket?
16:49:14 <masta> hum...
16:49:51 <masta> I'm not sure I understand the impact, but it would eat up storage space, and time is spent generating repos. Right?
16:50:16 <dgilmore> it would make srpm repos for every repo
16:50:37 <dgilmore> it would add an extra arh to the repos being generated
16:50:42 <dgilmore> for every single buildroot
16:51:16 <dgilmore> nirik: it has a high cost and we can not selectively enable it
16:51:32 <nirik> yeah, so I guess we could just say, sorry, not at this time...
16:51:44 <nirik> we have a lot of buildroots/targets these days. ;(
16:52:59 <dgilmore> yep
16:53:04 <masta> the request seems to be mostly about depsolving, so I wonder if there is another way around
16:53:36 <dgilmore> masta: right, and the issue is that depsolving from the srpms is wrong
16:53:54 <dgilmore> because it does not deal with things like arch specific BuildRequires
16:54:17 <dgilmore> the only way to be 100% sure is to rebuild the srpms for every arch and make sure
16:54:44 <masta> hrm... I can see that, yes
16:54:50 <dgilmore> somewhat related is https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/303
16:55:22 <dgilmore> I will close the ticket
16:55:35 <dgilmore> #topic #5886 need method for distributing urgent fixes... urgently
16:55:42 <dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5886
16:56:48 <nirik> so, how about I just make a proposal in ticket and we can discuss it next week and pick it apart?
16:57:01 <nirik> because there's a bunch of tradeoffs.
16:57:02 <dgilmore> nirik: sure
16:59:02 <nirik> we basically just need to pick a set of things and then try and get it implemented.
16:59:06 <nirik> (before the next urgent thing)
16:59:36 <dgilmore> right
16:59:59 <dgilmore> probably should consult the security response team also
17:00:12 <masta> yeah
17:00:44 <dgilmore> #topic #6110 allow sudo for sysadmin-releng on sign bridges
17:00:50 <dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6110
17:00:55 <dgilmore> nirik: is this done?
17:01:12 <dgilmore> was I supposed to do it?
17:01:41 <nirik> I think I was. ;) let me look.
17:01:47 <dgilmore> okay
17:01:51 <dgilmore> lets just do it
17:02:01 <dgilmore> #info dgilmore or nirik to get it done today
17:02:04 <dgilmore> #topic Secondary Architectures updates
17:02:05 <dgilmore> #topic Secondary Architectures update - ppc
17:02:17 <dgilmore> sharkcz: how is ppc?
17:02:44 <sharkcz> we declared our Alpha RC6 as GO today, so we look good
17:02:51 <dgilmore> cool
17:03:10 <dgilmore> #info F22 alpha for ppc is go
17:03:15 <nirik> dgilmore: note that the secondary bridge is not in ansible, etc. I need to redo them, but haven't gotten a window when they were not in use. ;(
17:03:25 <dgilmore> nirik: okay
17:03:27 <dgilmore> #topic Secondary Architectures update - s390
17:03:44 <dgilmore> sharkcz: how is s390?
17:04:26 <sharkcz> s390 will start with Beta publicly, but no issues from the builds point view
17:04:41 <dgilmore> okay
17:05:05 <dgilmore> #topic Secondary Architectures update - arm
17:05:14 <dgilmore> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/test/22_Alpha/Server/aarch64/
17:05:27 <dgilmore> there is a Alpha compose in place for aarch64 also
17:05:37 <dgilmore> #info aarch64 Alpha shipping
17:05:48 <dgilmore> #topic Open Floor
17:05:57 <dgilmore> anyone have anything for open floor?
17:06:16 <nirik> I had one thing... let me see.
17:06:41 <nirik> there's some folks seeing weird output from ppc koji? https://github.com/fedora-infra/fmn/issues/83
17:06:47 <nirik> sorry, arm koji
17:07:04 <nirik> and https://github.com/fedora-infra/fmn/issues/71
17:07:25 <nirik> not sure if they mean much, but we should fix them if we can...
17:08:06 <nirik> I can also paste them if folks don't want to look at github, just a sec.
17:08:34 <dgilmore> nirik: well all secondary arches are implicated
17:08:37 <nirik> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/204835/14277353/
17:08:48 <dgilmore> not all secondaries are running the latest koji code
17:08:53 <nirik> yeah, not sure if it's a plugin issue then?
17:09:09 <nirik> yeah. which we need to fix as soon as we can get time to. ;)
17:09:28 <dgilmore> koji itself is fine
17:09:38 <dgilmore> it would need looking at what fmn is doing
17:10:03 <dgilmore> it could be that we changed koji behaviour but the secondaries have an old koji with old behaviour
17:10:13 <dgilmore> though we try and avoid breaking things like that
17:10:26 <threebean> fmn does this:  https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/blob/develop/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/buildsys.py#L60-L158
17:10:49 <threebean> to construct the body of its emails
17:11:04 <dgilmore> file_base = 'https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/work/' is wrong for secondary arches
17:11:29 <dgilmore> and /work should not be used in urls
17:11:30 <nirik> oh yeah, it's armpkgs / ppcpkgs ?
17:11:45 <dgilmore> armpkgs s390pkgs
17:11:50 <threebean> yes.  (that doesn't explain the tracebacks though
17:11:51 <dgilmore> not sure there is a ppcpkgs
17:12:27 <dgilmore> it is not something we are foing to fix here
17:12:29 <dgilmore> going to
17:12:40 <masta> hum... I'm guessing somehwere in python needs to have int() wrap the code inserting to the postgre db ?
17:13:05 <dgilmore> will need to debug the fmn code
17:13:24 <nirik> ok, just wanted to bring it up.
17:13:37 <nirik> we don't have to fix it now, just making folks aware it needs to be looked at .;)
17:13:52 <threebean> other news:  I updated the releng-dash
17:13:52 <masta> needs fixing, but also seems like a trivial bug to fix.
17:13:55 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/releng-dash/
17:13:59 <dgilmore> can we move the bug to somewhere that is free and open
17:14:20 <threebean> it now gets the branched/active status from pkgdb so it should need to be patched every 6 months as the release cycle unfolds.
17:14:27 <threebean> s/should/shouldn't/
17:14:46 <threebean> docker and vagrant images are there now too.
17:14:59 <dgilmore> okay cool
17:15:42 <threebean> lmacken pointed out this morning that it doesn't show the new atomic repo status.  but that's the last open ticket I have for it https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-releng-dash/issues/17
17:15:44 <tyll_> I want to propose to adjust the meeting time not to DST
17:15:56 <sharkcz> I have one thing - seems I have a fix for missing Server group in anaconda in recent composes (at least Beta TC5) - because pungi drops the server environment because it removes newly introduced server-hardware-support group in comps - https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=21545e84d68155d724cae73b689721c260937a1f
17:15:56 <tyll_> s/not/now
17:18:43 <sharkcz> probably we should tie the meeting time to eg. EST zone, not UTC
17:19:20 <lmacken> Quick note: Bodhi will start composing f21-updates-testing atomic repos with the next push.
17:21:01 <dgilmore> threebean: cool cheers
17:21:07 <dgilmore> tyll_: change it to what?
17:21:51 <tyll_> dgilmore: to 15:30 UTC
17:22:56 <sharkcz> or keep it at 11:30 EST/EDT (the US eastern tz)
17:23:10 * nirik doesn't care. ;)
17:23:25 * masta is indifferent
17:23:27 <dgilmore> sharkcz: I do not like that idea
17:23:53 <dgilmore> I prefer to deal with meetings in UTC or CST/CDT
17:24:07 <dgilmore> I always miss meetings if teh time is in US Eastern
17:24:21 <dgilmore> just because I forget and mess it up
17:24:31 <sharkcz> then 10:30 CST/CDT
17:25:14 * dgilmore forgets if we have historically chnaged with DST
17:25:27 <dgilmore> I am not really fussed either way
17:25:32 <tyll_> last year we did
17:25:44 <dgilmore> when US DST started no one wanted it to follow
17:25:55 <dgilmore> I did ask in a meeting
17:26:07 <tyll_> it was because it did not work for me
17:26:31 <tyll_> now that Europe changed, the time is less convenient for me
17:26:48 <sharkcz> same here
17:26:51 <tyll_> the current time is less convenient
17:27:58 <masta> well that is regrettable.
17:28:05 <dgilmore> tyll_: can you start a thread on the mailing list please
17:28:18 <dgilmore> we can discuss and work something out
17:28:30 <tyll_> ok
17:29:01 <tyll_> I guess there will be no meeting next monday?
17:29:10 <masta> tyll_ & sharkcz what TZ offset are you two?
17:29:17 <dgilmore> tyll_: there will be a meeting
17:29:27 <dgilmore> tyll_: it is a normal work day
17:29:29 <tyll_> masta: UTC+2 now
17:29:39 <tyll_> dgilmore: ah, interesting, here it isn't
17:29:39 <sharkcz> masta: CET/CEST same as tyll_
17:30:22 <dgilmore> tyll_: the US does not have any gazetted days off
17:30:30 <dgilmore> you get what the company offers
17:30:39 <tyll_> I see
17:31:21 <masta> what is happening on Monday?
17:31:32 <dgilmore> masta: easter Monday
17:31:35 * masta is jealous
17:31:42 <dgilmore> at least in Australia it is a public holiday
17:31:54 <dgilmore> we get Friday off work
17:32:18 <sharkcz> we (in CZ) do work on Friday, but have Monday off
17:32:42 <masta> I'm that guy that always shows up to the office, wondering why it's empty, nobody there. Holidays!
17:32:56 <dgilmore> australia has Friday and Monday off
17:33:07 <nirik> yeah, friday is "spring holiday" :)
17:33:35 <masta> great, so one half the team is on holiday Friday, the other half on Monday...
17:34:11 <masta> anyways...
17:34:14 <dgilmore> so the plan is to have a meeting on Monday
17:34:21 <dgilmore> anything else?
17:35:10 * masta heads off
17:35:13 <masta> thanks dgilmore
17:36:22 * tyll_ too
17:36:23 <tyll_> thank you all
17:36:27 <dgilmore> #endmeeting