2024-05-21 16:01:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2024-05-21)
2024-05-21 16:01:50 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-05-21 16:01:46 UTC
2024-05-21 16:01:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2024-05-21)'
2024-05-21 16:01:55 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2024-05-21 16:02:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec jnsamyak patrikp
2024-05-21 16:02:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops
2024-05-21 16:02:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw
2024-05-21 16:02:29 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic init process
2024-05-21 16:02:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !hi
2024-05-21 16:02:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Samyak Jain (jnsamyak) - he / him / his
2024-05-21 16:03:10 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info RH Recharge day is scheduled for May 24 on Friday. Many RedHatter(s) will be away on Friday :)
2024-05-21 16:03:22 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hello!
2024-05-21 16:04:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Fedora 38 is EOL now.
2024-05-21 16:04:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> For the init process, kudos we are under 100 on our issue tracker and the EOL is currently is in process now
2024-05-21 16:04:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for f38
2024-05-21 16:04:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's me
2024-05-21 16:04:58 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Alright, let's move to tickets then.
2024-05-21 16:05:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Tickets needing attention
2024-05-21 16:05:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info this is the time where you can bring releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers etc
2024-05-21 16:05:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-05-21 16:05:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> there is one more section before the tickets
2024-05-21 16:05:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> isn't it?
2024-05-21 16:05:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i remember adding to the doc, lmcheck
2024-05-21 16:05:41 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Ah, scheduled actions.
2024-05-21 16:05:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah :D
2024-05-21 16:06:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: 👋
2024-05-21 16:06:46 <@patrikp:matrix.org> The only thing I see for scheduled actions is 38 EOL which was already mentioned.
2024-05-21 16:07:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: you have something else that you wanted to bring up for this week?
2024-05-21 16:07:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> apart from the release process
2024-05-21 16:07:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I have one meanwhile
2024-05-21 16:07:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Friday is a Red Hat recharge day. Next monday is a holiday in the US
2024-05-21 16:07:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12098
2024-05-21 16:07:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12098** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12098):** Renaming distribution media for Fedora Server**

● **Opened:** a week ago by jwhimpel
● **Last Updated:** a week ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-05-21 16:08:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> So I'm planning to start early for this before next release process starts
2024-05-21 16:08:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> and initial thing will be about investigating the bits
2024-05-21 16:08:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, it's going to be a lot of work. ;)
2024-05-21 16:08:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so we have ample time 
2024-05-21 16:09:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> to fix and break things
2024-05-21 16:09:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so we need to get the investigation soon, we will discuss more about this in the next meeting
2024-05-21 16:09:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's all
2024-05-21 16:09:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'll also mention this as something to consider there:
2024-05-21 16:09:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/blob/main/f/general.conf#_39
2024-05-21 16:10:05 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info releng 12098 discussion investigation should be started and we will be discussing this in the next meeting
2024-05-21 16:10:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks, I'll include it in the same doc
2024-05-21 16:10:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> patrikp: that's all we can move to tickets now
2024-05-21 16:10:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks
2024-05-21 16:10:44 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Alright, moving on to tickets. I had one quick thing.
2024-05-21 16:11:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> The PR for the updated release candidate SOPs can be found here: https://pagure.io/infra-docs-fpo/pull-request/294
2024-05-21 16:11:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> awesome. Will try and look today.
2024-05-21 16:12:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1 and once we merge this, we will merge the PR and please close the issue in the releng tracker
2024-05-21 16:12:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll give a look my tomorrow :)
2024-05-21 16:13:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Close the issue now? Or after the other things are merged I suppose?
2024-05-21 16:13:16 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> after
2024-05-21 16:13:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1 and once we merge this, we will merge the PR and then please close the issue in the releng tracker
2024-05-21 16:13:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12118
2024-05-21 16:13:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12118** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12118):**F41 System-Wide Change: LLVM19**

● **Opened:** 3 hours ago by tstellar
● **Last Updated:** an hour ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-05-21 16:14:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> New change request, the releng involment will be retirement
2024-05-21 16:14:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> which i think can be done by themselves right?
2024-05-21 16:14:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I don't think there's any special needs for this from releng... unless...
2024-05-21 16:14:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Or am i missing something obvious
2024-05-21 16:15:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> just checking if they wanted a mass rebuild with this, but no, seems not.
2024-05-21 16:15:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so yeah, close and say thanks I think.
2024-05-21 16:15:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> patrikp: can you close the ticket with the comment from above, and with the tag "it's all good"?
2024-05-21 16:16:21 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Yes.
2024-05-21 16:16:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> awesome thanks
2024-05-21 16:16:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12111
2024-05-21 16:16:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12111** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12111):**Lenovo: F40 official iso for P1 G7 preload**

● **Opened:** 5 days ago by mpearson
● **Last Updated:** 4 hours ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-05-21 16:17:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> So i checked the live-respins are done, but we need to place them in the right place, does the right place implies here: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/;?
2024-05-21 16:18:03 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> oh no i see the live respin for work there
2024-05-21 16:18:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> the right place means something else 
2024-05-21 16:18:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i guess
2024-05-21 16:18:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> F40-WORK-x86_64-LIVE-20240520.iso   2024-05-20 21:21  2.1G 
2024-05-21 16:18:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, it's https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins-archive/ and nb apparently already put it there
2024-05-21 16:18:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, I think we can close this? unless it fails testing or something...
2024-05-21 16:18:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> super awesome, i think we can close this as well
2024-05-21 16:19:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll do that now
2024-05-21 16:22:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12101
2024-05-21 16:22:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12101** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12101):**Missing F40 vagrant box**

● **Opened:** a week ago by zlopez
● **Last Updated:** a week ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-05-21 16:22:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> So there is no reply from folks on this :(
2024-05-21 16:22:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Not sure what to do here, and how i can help ;/
2024-05-21 16:23:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> We can try pinging in the cloud room I suppose.
2024-05-21 16:24:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or on the ticket again
2024-05-21 16:24:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or both
2024-05-21 16:24:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> can you point me to the room please nirik ?
2024-05-21 16:25:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> #cloud:fedoraproject.org
2024-05-21 16:25:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks
2024-05-21 16:25:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !action jnsamyak to ping people from the cloud team for releng 12101
2024-05-21 16:26:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> other two things i had from my last friday while working/cleaning/fixing from backlog tickets
2024-05-21 16:26:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 7428
2024-05-21 16:26:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #7428** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7428):**Anaconda & bodhi update improvements**

● **Opened:** 6 years ago by m4rtink
● **Last Updated:** 9 hours ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-05-21 16:26:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i think this can be closed 
2024-05-21 16:27:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> because there is already that happening in openqa
2024-05-21 16:28:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2024-05-21 16:29:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm fine closing and telling them to re-open if there's something still to be done.
2024-05-21 16:29:39 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah, I'll wait for another day if not, I'll do that
2024-05-21 16:29:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 8929
2024-05-21 16:29:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #8929** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8929):**When orphaning packages, keep the original owner as co-maintainer**

● **Opened:** 4 years ago by churchyard
● **Last Updated:** a year ago
● **Assignee:** humaton
2024-05-21 16:30:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> So I guess this needs to be groomed again
2024-05-21 16:31:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but to also look for the problem statement, frame it and send a discussion thread on the mailing list if folks are okay or not with that?
2024-05-21 16:32:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not convinced we want to do this. ;)
2024-05-21 16:32:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> The ticket I mean, not the discussion. ;)
2024-05-21 16:32:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> although...
2024-05-21 16:32:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah yeah there you go, reading on that it made more sense as well to not do that
2024-05-21 16:33:03 <@blackwell:fedora.im> !hi 
2024-05-21 16:33:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jason Blackwell (blackwell)
2024-05-21 16:33:07 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but let's email it once, and I'll open a poll for a week
2024-05-21 16:33:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we now have a inactive packager process. So, if we did do this, inactive people would get removed in the end
2024-05-21 16:33:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Jason Blackwell: hi hi
2024-05-21 16:33:31 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: oh that also
2024-05-21 16:33:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> My objection before is that we would have inactive people around forever, but thats not the case anymore.
2024-05-21 16:35:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, +1 to discuss it more
2024-05-21 16:35:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah sorry i'm also doing eol work side by side so bit swamped
2024-05-21 16:36:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but yes good point, I'll send an email and we will take it from there
2024-05-21 16:36:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's all from what i had in mind 
2024-05-21 16:36:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we could go one-by-one from old to newer now, or if someone has some tickets to discuss, please go on or we can go to open floor :D
2024-05-21 16:38:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I had a small note to mention...
2024-05-21 16:38:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Normally right after a fedora release we update all the builders and koji hubs to the new fedora version.
2024-05-21 16:39:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but this time we need to wait sadly until after 2024-06-30 to do that
2024-05-21 16:39:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (or possibly before if koji comes up with a option to avoid the problem we have)
2024-05-21 16:39:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> The issue is that f40 has createrepo_c 1.0.x and it defaults to zstd compression.
2024-05-21 16:40:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> rhel7/epel7 tools can't read that.
2024-05-21 16:40:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, it would mean we can't build any epel7 packages.
2024-05-21 16:40:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, we need to either wait for rhel7 to eol or get some fix in koji. :)
2024-05-21 16:41:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah gotto know about that from fab as well for epel9-next similar thing
2024-05-21 16:42:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> do we have issue opened in koji about it, is someone already working on a fix?
2024-05-21 16:42:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, there is an issue, not sure if they are going to fix it.
2024-05-21 16:42:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> rhel7 eol is 30/06?
2024-05-21 16:42:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/koji/issue/3945
2024-05-21 16:42:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes.
2024-05-21 16:42:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> 2024-06-30
2024-05-21 16:43:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> still before mass rebuild for f41, but not a lot before. ;)
2024-05-21 16:43:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> will that affect some of our work? Because the mass rebuild will be on 07/08
2024-05-21 16:43:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes exactly
2024-05-21 16:44:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> if not, we could eventually wait but let's open an issue so we know when to act fast and issue will be a good place for that
2024-05-21 16:44:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> if not, we could eventually wait but let's open an issue in that case so we know when to act fast and issue will be a good place for that
2024-05-21 16:44:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There is an issue. see above. ;)
2024-05-21 16:44:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I hope they can implement a extra tag value to pass --compatibility to it.
2024-05-21 16:44:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah 🙈
2024-05-21 16:45:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but we will see.
2024-05-21 16:45:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah I'll look more on this tomorrow
2024-05-21 16:45:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks for bringing this to notice nirik 
2024-05-21 16:46:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no problem, sorry I didn't bring it up sooner. ;(
2024-05-21 16:46:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> purging from disk the signed copies of rpms - takes forever :/
2024-05-21 16:48:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, that will be a while...
2024-05-21 16:49:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think I had anything else too specific...
2024-05-21 16:50:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> one thing tho the playbooks can run with it parallel right looking at the script i dont see anything that will affect it??
2024-05-21 16:50:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> which playbooks specifically?
2024-05-21 16:51:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or there was a list on the sop page I think...
2024-05-21 16:51:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> here's the list: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/release_guide/release_eol/#_fedora_infra_ansible_changes
2024-05-21 16:52:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, you can run those in parallel... the sign one needs ssh reopened.
2024-05-21 16:52:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can do that one if you like.
2024-05-21 16:53:36 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks, please! let me know which are the ones you run with the sysadmin hat on, I'll do the rest it should be the autosign and proxies one right for you?
2024-05-21 16:54:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, can do those
2024-05-21 16:55:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks again
2024-05-21 16:56:07 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Alright, we only have a couple minutes left, let's move on...
2024-05-21 16:56:09 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Discussion / All other Business / Blockers
2024-05-21 16:56:22 <@patrikp:matrix.org> We need a chair for next week.
2024-05-21 16:56:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I should be here so I can take it if there are no other volunteers.
2024-05-21 16:56:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll do that
2024-05-21 16:56:45 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Sold!
2024-05-21 16:56:56 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info next chair May 28 - jnsamyak
2024-05-21 16:58:08 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I suppose that's it for today then. Thanks for coming everyone!
2024-05-21 16:58:15 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming.
2024-05-21 16:58:21 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !endmeeting