2024-07-02 16:00:26 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2024-07-02)
2024-07-02 16:00:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-02 16:00:26 UTC
2024-07-02 16:00:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2024-07-02)'
2024-07-02 16:00:36 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !meetingname releng
2024-07-02 16:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng
2024-07-02 16:00:42 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec jnsamyak patrikp
2024-07-02 16:00:55 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops
2024-07-02 16:01:02 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw
2024-07-02 16:01:11 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic init process
2024-07-02 16:01:20 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Hello!
2024-07-02 16:01:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-07-02 16:02:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Hey folks 
2024-07-02 16:02:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I’m little bit swamped with travelling and will reach home in 15 mins had a dinner plan today 
2024-07-02 16:02:58 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> But I’m here 
2024-07-02 16:03:25 <@smilner:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-02 16:03:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (smilner)
2024-07-02 16:03:39 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I don’t have anything specific for the init process but just one info 
2024-07-02 16:03:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12185
2024-07-02 16:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 23 hours ago by carlwgeorge
2024-07-02 16:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 18 hours ago
2024-07-02 16:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-07-02 16:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-07-02 16:03:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12185** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12185):**Retire EPEL 7**
2024-07-02 16:03:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Steve: hello there!
2024-07-02 16:04:07 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> This is in progress!
2024-07-02 16:04:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, review on that PR I submitted welcome. :)
2024-07-02 16:05:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and we need to discuss what to do about the block_retired issue around it.
2024-07-02 16:05:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yes I already went through it, will do a +1 lgtm
2024-07-02 16:05:24 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Do you wanna bring it up now? nirik 
2024-07-02 16:06:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure if you like.
2024-07-02 16:07:11 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yes go ahead I think this will be a good place holder to see what improvements we can bring to it 
2024-07-02 16:08:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, all the epel7 packages had a eol in pdc for 2024-06-30. So, when that rolled around, the block_retired.py script saw that and tried to go untag all packages and block them all. The problem with this is two fold: a) it caused koji to get really slow/stop processing and b) untagging everything means it will get garbage collected in a month or so and removed... but... we want to usually keep things in koji that we distributed for license compliance reasons....
2024-07-02 16:08:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it untagged about 9k builds.
2024-07-02 16:09:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess I am leaning toward retagging them (slowly so as not to cause koji problems) so they stay around for now at least.
2024-07-02 16:11:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> So basically we need to remove the pdc check from the retired script 
2024-07-02 16:11:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I already removed epel6/7 from it. ;)
2024-07-02 16:11:48 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Nice
2024-07-02 16:12:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but of course this will happen again with 8 someday unless we remember to remove iit before it's eol
2024-07-02 16:12:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but also, I think we are replacing this script with a toddler? or I might be misremembering
2024-07-02 16:13:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> One more question that I have is about re tagging of things 
2024-07-02 16:13:43 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> How are you proceeding for that
2024-07-02 16:13:48 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> In batches?
2024-07-02 16:13:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Or you have a script taking care of it?
2024-07-02 16:14:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I’m not sure but will check
2024-07-02 16:14:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, I haven't done anything on it yet. ;) just wanted to discuss it first
2024-07-02 16:14:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> And add a note for that in the ticket 
2024-07-02 16:15:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I have a list of the builds tho (via koji list-history) and we can just do a small sh script that tags a build, sleeps for 10seconds or whatever and loops to next
2024-07-02 16:15:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or 30s or whatever.
2024-07-02 16:16:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> That make sense, we should also sort the list in case it ends up breaking at some point? We will know where to resume? Or is it sorted?
2024-07-02 16:17:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure. I think it might have been sorted by the orig script...
2024-07-02 16:17:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, it is.
2024-07-02 16:18:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> awesome then
2024-07-02 16:19:05 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks for discussing it, but we need to make sure before 8 ends we remove this
2024-07-02 16:19:17 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> perhaps I'll add a comment with eol date in the script
2024-07-02 16:19:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, we have a few years.
2024-07-02 16:19:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so if someone sees it can remove it :D
2024-07-02 16:19:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: hehe yeah
2024-07-02 16:19:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that's all we can move on
2024-07-02 16:20:08 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Alright, moving on.
2024-07-02 16:20:14 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic scheduled actions coming up in the next week
2024-07-02 16:20:20 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are going to be due to be done in the next week
2024-07-02 16:21:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> next thing is the mass rebuild I think/
2024-07-02 16:21:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ?
2024-07-02 16:21:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> same ticket i have in mind that i discussed just now
2024-07-02 16:22:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-41/f-41-all-tasks.html
2024-07-02 16:22:45 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> retiring the epel 7 thing :3
2024-07-02 16:23:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info mass rebuild is in two weeks from now
2024-07-02 16:24:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm likely to schedule a mass update/reboot and upgrade of builders next week....to get it done before mass rebuild
2024-07-02 16:24:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: one more thing that i wanted to bring up was, last release someone opened a ticket and asked us to create n+2 keys in advance of either rebuild or branching, I need to find that ticket
2024-07-02 16:24:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but that is also something that we need to do 
2024-07-02 16:24:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh yeah, might be time to do that. We need to get it added to the schedule
2024-07-02 16:24:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: awesome, will keep that in mind
2024-07-02 16:25:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I already asked aoife, but will poke once again ;)
2024-07-02 16:25:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sounds good. let me know if you find it and when we agreed to do it. Or if you like I can look.
2024-07-02 16:25:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> there was a ticket I think
2024-07-02 16:25:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'll find it and discuss on the releng channel
2024-07-02 16:26:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> we can move on
2024-07-02 16:26:18 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Tickets needing attention
2024-07-02 16:26:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info this is the time where you can bring releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers etc
2024-07-02 16:28:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> any fun ones? or shall I pick some?
2024-07-02 16:29:30 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> let's see
2024-07-02 16:29:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12098
2024-07-02 16:29:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12098** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12098):** Renaming distribution media for Fedora Server**
2024-07-02 16:29:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** patrikp
2024-07-02 16:29:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a week ago
2024-07-02 16:29:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a month ago by jwhimpel
2024-07-02 16:29:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-07-02 16:29:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> patrikp: any updates on this? 
2024-07-02 16:33:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Last comment is from 11 days ago and they haven't replied back to it. I also see that they untagged this [0] with meeting two weeks ago. I'm not sure at what stage the proposal is, I haven't seen a draft and they haven't come back to ask any question. In the meanwhile I'm reading up on the compose process...
2024-07-02 16:33:23 <@patrikp:matrix.org> So I read through parts of pungi docs and kiwi tool a little bit.
2024-07-02 16:33:38 <@patrikp:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/126
2024-07-02 16:34:05 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Is anyone aware of a draft of the proposal? Sounds to me like they are  (were) in the very early stages.
2024-07-02 16:34:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not sure. we could send someone to their next matrix meeting. ;)
2024-07-02 16:35:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah I'm more inclined on the investigation, about the compose process and where the renaming will be required! As kevin said for the proposal, we can discuss this with fedora server group - i think meetinfs are on monday
2024-07-02 16:35:32 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Nobody replied to your question about naming conventions in that ticket either btw, that was 2 months ago.
2024-07-02 16:35:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> jednorozec: mostly attends it, so we can ask him where to join and when
2024-07-02 16:36:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Do you want to take that action item and discuss this with fedora server group?
2024-07-02 16:36:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Perhaps take a follow up on the server ticket?
2024-07-02 16:36:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> might also be worth updating the ticket asking for status...
2024-07-02 16:36:44 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I can ping them on the tickets.
2024-07-02 16:36:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1
2024-07-02 16:36:47 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 👍️
2024-07-02 16:37:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !action patrikp to update ticket for the status of the proposal, and ask fedora server group people on the meeting (need to check when and where it happens)
2024-07-02 16:37:44 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Not sure I'll make the meeting.
2024-07-02 16:38:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> one more thing, patrikp are you updating the document with the compose process insights? or are you yet to?
2024-07-02 16:38:43 <@patrikp:matrix.org> I am yet to.
2024-07-02 16:39:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks, I am more inclined to have this investigation finished and written atmost next week so we can look/review/learn from this for the development bits
2024-07-02 16:40:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I hope this can be done, and we dont miss out or overwork at the time of release process if they end up submitting the proposal last minute
2024-07-02 16:40:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay i have another one
2024-07-02 16:41:05 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12165
2024-07-02 16:41:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-07-02 16:41:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by ngompa
2024-07-02 16:41:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago
2024-07-02 16:41:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-07-02 16:41:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12165** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12165):**F41 System-Wide Change: Mark Fedora KDE AArch64 as Release Blocking**
2024-07-02 16:41:36 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> this is still not approved i guess, should we keep this opem
2024-07-02 16:41:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think we can close this... the pr tracks the work in case it's approved
2024-07-02 16:41:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> or ask them to reopen it once the proposal is accepted
2024-07-02 16:41:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah
2024-07-02 16:43:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think we need the ticket... but whatever works
2024-07-02 16:43:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: do you have some tickets item that you wish to bring on?
2024-07-02 16:44:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12180
2024-07-02 16:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 5 days ago
2024-07-02 16:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12180** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12180):**Grant yselkowitz edit-tag permission for eln-build**
2024-07-02 16:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-07-02 16:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 5 days ago by sgallagh
2024-07-02 16:44:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-07-02 16:44:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> For granting permissions, we need sysadmin access in general?
2024-07-02 16:45:34 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> And how do we do that in general :3
2024-07-02 16:45:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> that === grant access
2024-07-02 16:45:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this is permissions in koji.
2024-07-02 16:46:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, what we need to do here is set the eln tags to use the eln permission then add them to that...
2024-07-02 16:46:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can write up a set of commands in the ticket. it shouldn't be hard, but we need to make sure we don't break them.
2024-07-02 16:46:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> so basically modify the tag config to use the eln perms
2024-07-02 16:46:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> using a eln permission is better here than 'tag' permission, which gives a lot of power.
2024-07-02 16:47:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes pleas if you can do that it wil be easier to understand 
2024-07-02 16:47:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> when you say "don't break them" what are the things one need to look out for?
2024-07-02 16:48:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> builds not being able to be tagged, or their eln builder thingie not having the right perms.
2024-07-02 16:48:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd need to look at it again to refresh my memory...
2024-07-02 16:48:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it should be fine, but... you know how things go. :)
2024-07-02 16:49:02 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah totally 
2024-07-02 16:49:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: thanks for always replying to my curious dumb questions
2024-07-02 16:49:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks for asking... great to share knowledge if I can!
2024-07-02 16:50:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> 🤝
2024-07-02 16:50:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nice emoji. ;)
2024-07-02 16:50:33 <@patrikp:matrix.org> 10 minutes to go, shall we choose the next chair?
2024-07-02 16:50:38 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic choose next chair
2024-07-02 16:50:56 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I can do that
2024-07-02 16:51:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I might be here next week, but next monday I am getting a tooth pulled, so likely to be out of it... :)
2024-07-02 16:51:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh and I will be out thursday (us holiday), friday and monday. ;)
2024-07-02 16:51:25 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Do they drug you heavily for such a procedure?
2024-07-02 16:51:28 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah tooth ops are the worse
2024-07-02 16:51:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hopefully you get better soon enough 
2024-07-02 16:51:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> i need to also get myself checked my wisdom tooth pains
2024-07-02 16:51:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. they are gonna put me fully out for it. ;(
2024-07-02 16:52:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> :/
2024-07-02 16:52:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> more power to you 
2024-07-02 16:52:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, tooth ops are indeed the worst.
2024-07-02 16:53:04 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info next chair Jul 9 - Samyak
2024-07-02 16:53:12 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !topic Discussion / Any other Business / Blockers
2024-07-02 16:54:14 <@patrikp:matrix.org> Anything else? Or would you like your 5 minutes back?
2024-07-02 16:54:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nothing off hand from me.
2024-07-02 16:54:39 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming.
2024-07-02 16:54:45 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !endmeeting