2024-11-04 17:00:16 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !startmeeting RELENG (2024-11-04) 2024-11-04 17:00:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-11-04 17:00:16 UTC 2024-11-04 17:00:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2024-11-04)' 2024-11-04 17:00:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !meetingname releng 2024-11-04 17:00:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now releng 2024-11-04 17:00:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp 2024-11-04 17:00:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it stops. 2024-11-04 17:00:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw. 2024-11-04 17:00:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Init process. 2024-11-04 17:00:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning 2024-11-04 17:01:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Hello how's everyoen doing today? 2024-11-04 17:01:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Hello how's everyone doing today? 2024-11-04 17:01:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hanging in there 2024-11-04 17:01:46 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> !hi 2024-11-04 17:01:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: looks like it's gonna be a small house today 2024-11-04 17:01:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yashwanth Rathakrishnan (thisisyaash) 2024-11-04 17:02:39 <@smilner:fedora.im> !hi 2024-11-04 17:02:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (smilner) 2024-11-04 17:02:50 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> im doing fantastic!😁 2024-11-04 17:02:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nirik: same same, I'm literally drowsing in antibiotics these days 2024-11-04 17:03:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Oh more folks for the party toodayyyy 2024-11-04 17:03:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yayy 2024-11-04 17:04:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yaash: Do you wanna do a quick round of introduction here, since it's the first time you joined? 2024-11-04 17:05:05 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> well, I have introduced myself in ggl meet 2024-11-04 17:05:05 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> but not in matrix channel meeting 2024-11-04 17:08:20 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> right, for the reference that is our daily standup meeting, where we bore people with what we are working on! This is a release engineering community meeting, it happend every week, we are still figuring out the time for it, but yes :D 2024-11-04 17:08:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Here we talk/discuss/bash the release engineering or related stuff 2024-11-04 17:09:43 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> I see 2024-11-04 17:10:08 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay let's move on with our first topic of the meeting \0/ 2024-11-04 17:10:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention? 2024-11-04 17:10:23 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> i was initially interested in rel-eng 2024-11-04 17:10:23 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> but i ppl in #join:fedoraproject.org told that its a quite critical team to start off 2024-11-04 17:10:23 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> as new contributor 2024-11-04 17:10:41 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> but also keeping an eye of rel-eng 2024-11-04 17:10:41 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> so im primarly focusing on infra 2024-11-04 17:10:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> welcome Yaash. :) 2024-11-04 17:11:16 <@smilner:fedora.im> Nice to see you Yaash. Welcome! 2024-11-04 17:11:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> jnsamyak: I'd like to mention https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2323315 (we didn't update the eol on fedora-release somewhere along the line... branching?) 2024-11-04 17:12:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we need to update it, but also update branching docs? 2024-11-04 17:12:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Ahaaa yes 2024-11-04 17:13:25 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> so im primarly focusing on infra 2024-11-04 17:13:25 <@thisisyaash:fedora.im> but also keeping an eye on rel-eng 2024-11-04 17:13:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I can take a look at this first thing tomorrow, or, is it something we need to fix now? 2024-11-04 17:15:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> not super urgent, no... 2024-11-04 17:16:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sometime before mid next year. :) 2024-11-04 17:16:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> oh that's a lot of time then 2024-11-04 17:16:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> btw I'm just curious to where to set these? I dont recall it setting it last time, is it something that got implemented now? 2024-11-04 17:17:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's in the fedora-release rpm... 2024-11-04 17:17:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> as far as I can recall. let me look 2024-11-04 17:18:15 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> ah, I think there are some recent changes to the spec file as well: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/c/3af2ae38c0c21639814a776976a945942ef11bb8?branch=f41 2024-11-04 17:18:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/blob/rawhide/f/fedora-release.spec#_9 2024-11-04 17:18:46 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-release/blob/f41/f/fedora-release.spec#_9 2024-11-04 17:18:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yep this looks correct to me 2024-11-04 17:19:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Oh 2024-11-04 17:19:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Thats the f40 eol 2024-11-04 17:19:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> got it 2024-11-04 17:20:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> nvm 2024-11-04 17:20:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> f41 should be 6 months later. 2024-11-04 17:20:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so this might be something we didn't have to deal with in the past... 2024-11-04 17:20:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, we should fix and fix docs. ;) 2024-11-04 17:20:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> On my list! 2024-11-04 17:21:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I have one thing for the init 2024-11-04 17:21:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> as well, and that is about the release artifiacts 2024-11-04 17:21:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12437 2024-11-04 17:21:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12437** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12437):**consistent naming of release artifacts** 2024-11-04 17:21:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned 2024-11-04 17:21:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a day ago 2024-11-04 17:21:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 3 days ago by petersen 2024-11-04 17:21:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2024-11-04 17:22:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I had the same problem with the scripts, when I was releasing torrents - until we switch to kiwi or we have automation in place, should we manually rename these to match the others? 2024-11-04 17:22:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> From the next release onwards? 2024-11-04 17:22:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> renaming things is not a good idea. 2024-11-04 17:23:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> IMHO, we should just try and move to kiwi for f42 as soon as time permits. 2024-11-04 17:23:14 <@smilner:fedora.im> Curious why this is? 2024-11-04 17:23:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd really like to not have to deal with imagefactory anymore. 2024-11-04 17:23:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1 to tha 2024-11-04 17:23:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> +1 to that 2024-11-04 17:24:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it causes a bunch of confusion... which is what? also, people and processes expect specific names. We would need to adjust things like fedfind and all the users that consume specific names. 2024-11-04 17:24:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sync scripts, koji, a bunch of things expect specific names. 2024-11-04 17:24:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we could rename things, but we have to be very careful if we do 2024-11-04 17:25:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I mean, they will be renamed when we move them to kiwi, but we can adjust things as we go... if we just renamed them on the delivery side it would be very confusing. 2024-11-04 17:26:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, IMHO we should close this and say 'we hope to move to kiwi and things will hopefully be better there' ? 2024-11-04 17:26:47 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yes we could eventually, but with the fast-paced release process and different moving parts, I suspect this is error-prone, and we miss it one place, and then keep searching where the hell we renamed it 😢 2024-11-04 17:27:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yep I'll close that one 2024-11-04 17:29:49 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay moving on 2024-11-04 17:29:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week. 2024-11-04 17:30:04 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week. 2024-11-04 17:30:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-41/f-41-releng-tasks.html 2024-11-04 17:30:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> We have F41 released last week! 2024-11-04 17:30:55 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> The post cleanup for f41 happens two week of the release, which is gonna be in the next week 2024-11-04 17:31:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah. :) later this week we can do the development/41 move thing and also remove all the old rc's/beta rc's 2024-11-04 17:31:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or next week, thats fine, yeah 2024-11-04 17:31:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Yep i have it on my list \0/ 2024-11-04 17:31:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Anything else? 2024-11-04 17:32:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> only slightly related, but this reminded me... 2024-11-04 17:32:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we had a email thread a while back about archiving iot releases. Did you get to that? Would you like me to do it? I am not sure if we had a ticket on it... 2024-11-04 17:33:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Oh yes 2024-11-04 17:34:26 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I had some follow up questions about that and it was mostly regarding the place where to archive it, and I wasn't able to create a directory in the nfs mount in koji for this 2024-11-04 17:34:52 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> and then the release happened, I was never able to finish it up, let me quickly see if I have the logs pasted somewhere 2024-11-04 17:35:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11419 I guess? 2024-11-04 17:35:29 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes 2024-11-04 17:35:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, archive is by default read only most everywhere, you have to remount it rw in order to write to it. 2024-11-04 17:36:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think there's a sop for archiving releases about it. 2024-11-04 17:36:07 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay I remember now, so how and where do we want it? 2024-11-04 17:36:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> somewhere here: /pub/archive/fedora/linux/iot? That means we would have to create an iot directory 2024-11-04 17:36:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'd have to find that email thread... I think they said specific ones to archive, and others that can be deleted. 2024-11-04 17:37:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, that sounds fine 2024-11-04 17:37:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yep specific one for each release, so do we want to create the same file structure as of /pub/archive/fedora/linux/ which has 31,32,,,,,,,,,,40,41,rawhide etc? 2024-11-04 17:38:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> in /pub/archive/fedora/linux/iot/ 2024-11-04 17:38:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, keeping it consistent sounds good. 2024-11-04 17:38:23 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I need to find it 2024-11-04 17:39:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> let me know if you can't and we can make one, but I thought there was one. 2024-11-04 17:40:40 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay I'll follow up on this, but I have this on my plate as well, just need to find the right time 2024-11-04 17:41:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> BTW before moving on, Happy 41 Release Everyone 🎉 2024-11-04 17:41:32 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !topic Tickets that need attention. 2024-11-04 17:41:44 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info This is the time where you can bring up releng tickets to discuss if there are blockers, etc. 2024-11-04 17:42:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I have a docs pr waiting for review: https://pagure.io/infra-docs-fpo/pull-request/326 2024-11-04 17:43:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> There's the koji admins tickets if we need to discuss anything there. 2024-11-04 17:43:43 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> The most interesting topic, if folks have soemthing to bring up, want to work on, and is blocked please use this topic 2024-11-04 17:43:54 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> gave my +1 2024-11-04 17:43:59 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes please 2024-11-04 17:44:12 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12426 2024-11-04 17:44:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12426** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12426):**Moar koji admins** 2024-11-04 17:44:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned 2024-11-04 17:44:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 8 hours ago 2024-11-04 17:44:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 5 days ago by nphilipp 2024-11-04 17:44:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2024-11-04 17:45:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'm happy to give this permission since lenka is working with koji from past quater 2024-11-04 17:45:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I'm happy to give this permission since lenka is working with koji from past quarter 2024-11-04 17:45:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, shall we add them? yeah... 2024-11-04 17:45:33 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yes +1 2024-11-04 17:45:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also the blocker isn't working still. ;( 2024-11-04 17:45:57 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> :( 2024-11-04 17:46:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> you want to do it? or shall I? just a koji grant-pemissions ... 2024-11-04 17:46:35 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> oh new thing, ofcourse, I wanna try! 2024-11-04 17:48:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> for the fewer ticket, I want to mention prposed ones to drop in the ticket, then drop anyone who doesn't reply, etc 2024-11-04 17:48:41 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> permission we need to define admin? 2024-11-04 17:48:50 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> for we need to define admin? 2024-11-04 17:49:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep 2024-11-04 17:49:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> koji grant-permission admin username 2024-11-04 17:50:10 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> hehe thanks for making sure my double checker mind is satisfied 2024-11-04 17:50:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also do stg to be consistent? 2024-11-04 17:51:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> sure, is there seprate command for that? 2024-11-04 17:52:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> stg-koji instead of koji. ;) But you need a stg kerberos ticket. 2024-11-04 17:53:00 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> this makes sense, can you add the comment there? or want me to? 2024-11-04 17:53:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. I can do it. ;) 2024-11-04 17:53:22 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> thanks 2024-11-04 17:53:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> will have to poke the db... koji has no way to list all admins that I know of .;( 2024-11-04 17:54:14 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> aga ;/ 2024-11-04 17:54:19 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> aha ;/ 2024-11-04 17:54:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> it would be good day of sql bashin 2024-11-04 17:54:51 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> I want to discuss and understand one more ticket before the times run out 2024-11-04 17:55:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !releng 12418 2024-11-04 17:55:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 2024-11-04 17:55:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned 2024-11-04 17:55:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 days ago 2024-11-04 17:55:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by kevin 2024-11-04 17:55:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **releng #12418** (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12418):**F41 cloud nightlys are trying to tag into f41** 2024-11-04 17:55:18 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> What's happening here? What do you think is a solution for this problem? 2024-11-04 17:55:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, so whats happening is: 2024-11-04 17:56:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> f41-kiwi f41-kiwi-build f41 2024-11-04 17:56:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2024-11-04 17:56:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Name Buildroot Destination 2024-11-04 17:56:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> koji list-targets --name f41-kiwi 2024-11-04 17:56:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> f41-kiwi f41-kiwi-build f41 2024-11-04 17:56:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2024-11-04 17:56:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Name Buildroot Destination 2024-11-04 17:56:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ``` koji list-targets --name f41-kiwi 2024-11-04 17:56:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> kiwi stuff uses a seperate target, because it needs a old chroot setting. 2024-11-04 17:56:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> before release thats fine, and it builds and builds are tagged into f41. 2024-11-04 17:57:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but after release we don't want to change f41 tag ever, it's been released. It's locked, so it cannot tag into it. 2024-11-04 17:57:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> For f40 we just adjustted the target: 2024-11-04 17:57:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ``` ✗ koji list-targets --name f40-kiwi 2024-11-04 17:57:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Name Buildroot Destination 2024-11-04 17:57:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2024-11-04 17:57:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> f40-kiwi f40-kiwi-build f40-updates-candidate 2024-11-04 17:58:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> which we can just do here I guess... but the buildroot is also tied to the base tag... so the buildroot never changes with updates. 2024-11-04 17:58:06 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> aha, then it will keep happening after we release everytime for every new release no? 2024-11-04 17:58:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, until kiwi fixes needing a seperate target... 2024-11-04 17:58:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so I guess lets just fix the target for now and keep kicking the problem down the road. ;) 2024-11-04 17:59:25 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> by fixing you mean to edit the tag destination to f41-updates-candidate ? 2024-11-04 17:59:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah. 2024-11-04 17:59:42 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yeah this also 2024-11-04 17:59:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> koji edit-target --build-tag f41-updates-candidate f41-kiwi 2024-11-04 17:59:53 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> but okay 2024-11-04 18:00:09 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> yep 2024-11-04 18:00:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> want to do that and just close the ticket? or shall I 2024-11-04 18:01:38 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Can you do that? I'm not on my system now ;D 2024-11-04 18:02:01 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Okay, that's all I wanted to bring up! And we are on the right on the hour, see you all folks in the next one. 2024-11-04 18:02:27 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> Thanks to everyone who joined! Good morning, evening and night to all 0/ 2024-11-04 18:02:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !endmeeting 2024-11-04 18:02:37 <@jnsamyak:matrix.org> !info Thank you all for coming!