13:07:37 <andreasn> #startmeeting Weekly Cockpit meeting 2017-04-03
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13:07:41 <andreasn> .hello andreasn
13:07:42 <zodbot> andreasn: andreasn 'Andreas Nilsson' <anilsson@redhat.com>
13:07:44 <dperpeet> .hello dperpeet
13:07:45 <zodbot> dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' <dperpeet@redhat.com>
13:08:11 <mvollmer> .hello mvo
13:08:12 <zodbot> mvollmer: mvo 'Marius Vollmer' <marius.vollmer@gmail.com>
13:08:57 <andreasn> #topic Agenda
13:09:07 <andreasn> * ABRT
13:09:37 <dperpeet> * security between nested login sessions
13:09:44 <mvollmer> * Server Apps
13:10:15 <andreasn> all right
13:10:17 <andreasn> #topic ABRT
13:10:41 <andreasn> https://lists.fedorahosted.org/archives/list/cockpit-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org/thread/A5VLQM32XVZDPID5O6IHLNOHX7SSICXB/
13:10:51 <andreasn> was what started this
13:11:07 <andreasn> some back and forth, and I did a design
13:11:14 <andreasn> and now there is a PR
13:11:37 <andreasn> by marusak
13:11:54 <mvollmer> cool
13:11:57 <andreasn> design-wise it looks good
13:12:01 <andreasn> but it needs code review
13:12:38 <andreasn> the style of the tabs are also a bit off, haven't been able to figure out why though
13:12:52 <andreasn> maybe garrett, dperpeet or mvollmer would know
13:13:05 <mvollmer> i can have a look tomorrow
13:13:20 <andreasn> cool, thanks!
13:13:22 <garrett> sure; I'd be happy to look into the tabs being off
13:13:26 <andreasn> thanks!
13:13:43 <andreasn> I think it might be some class that is missing or so
13:13:45 <mvollmer> writes down "look at ABRTPR"
13:13:51 <andreasn> :)
13:13:59 <andreasn> eot from me re that
13:14:20 <mvollmer> ok
13:14:45 <andreasn> next topic
13:14:57 <mvollmer> yep
13:14:58 <andreasn> #topic Security between nested login sessions
13:15:22 <dperpeet> I just wanted to highlight that stef wrote a mailing list post about this ("Assumed security between nested login sessions")
13:15:38 <dperpeet> and it wasn't a late April fool's message about "armed security" :)
13:15:50 <dperpeet> related to this is https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/pull/6260
13:16:32 <dperpeet> this is about making Cockpit a bit better regarding security
13:18:51 <dperpeet> eot from me
13:19:04 * mvollmer nods
13:19:11 <andreasn> ncie
13:19:13 <andreasn> nice
13:19:17 <andreasn> #topic Server Apps
13:19:51 <mvollmer> I want to make a "Application Manager" for cockpit
13:20:08 <mvollmer> the first idea is to re-use the AppStream metadata format
13:20:18 <mvollmer> and extend it in two dimensions
13:20:21 <mvollmer> one, for Cockpit
13:20:26 <mvollmer> two, for containers
13:21:05 <andreasn> #link https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Server-Applications
13:21:10 <mvollmer> i have started to talk with the appstream people and others, and everybody seems to like the idea
13:21:24 <mvollmer> i have semi concrete plans
13:21:57 <mvollmer> for example, the appsream people have already thought about adding a "service" type, for systemd units (my guess)
13:22:09 <mvollmer> that would work well with cockpit, so I'll try to move that forwards
13:22:29 <mvollmer> container wise, I want to look at system containers, mostly
13:23:03 <mvollmer> challenges right now: splitting the metadata so that the server doesn't need to download 14M of GNOME icons
13:23:39 <mvollmer> i have also started talking to the FreeIPA people, bc I want to make a FreeIPA server app first
13:24:11 <mvollmer> no code yet, but hopefully soon
13:24:17 <andreasn> nice!
13:24:33 <mvollmer> andreasn, we also need to talk. :-)
13:24:46 <andreasn> yup! I haven't finished reading the wiki page yet
13:24:50 <andreasn> but will do that today
13:24:57 <mvollmer> might be out of date already...
13:24:58 <andreasn> it's on my todo list
13:25:29 <mvollmer> important for you: current idea is to have a list
13:25:32 <mvollmer> of installed apps
13:25:38 <mvollmer> and each entry in that list
13:25:47 <mvollmer> is actually plugin provided by that app
13:25:59 <mvollmer> so the entries are live and custom
13:26:03 <petervo> mvollmer, is that list stored by cockpit?
13:26:04 <andreasn> a cockpit plugin?
13:26:12 <mvollmer> that way we can have mini uis that point somewhere else
13:26:25 <mvollmer> petervo, o, it would be derived from has been installed
13:26:29 <mvollmer> *no
13:26:50 <mvollmer> looking at the manifests, and also at metainfo files in /usr/share/appdata, I guess
13:27:14 <mvollmer> andreasn, yes, a cockpit plugin
13:27:17 <andreasn> nice
13:27:17 <petervo> and only showing ones we recognize?
13:27:22 <petervo> that seems nice
13:27:35 <mvollmer> yes
13:28:16 <mvollmer> dont know how that will work with containers
13:28:19 <andreasn> all right, so I have a todo to look over the document carefully and add feedback
13:28:28 <mvollmer> thanks!
13:28:37 <andreasn> eot?
13:28:41 <mvollmer> as all plans, this will likely change a lot
13:28:43 <mvollmer> yeah
13:28:47 <andreasn> thanks!
13:28:57 <andreasn> all right. I guess that's it
13:29:05 <andreasn> thanks everyone!
13:29:09 <andreasn> #endmeeting